Cycle Help - Triathlete

[3ATHLETE]

New guy here - I'm a 37 year old competitive triathlete. I am 6ft 190 pounds with 7 % bf. I have done 2 cycles before - both Test Cyp only at 500mgs per week for 10 weeks. My goal was not to put on massive amounts of weight. I found the test to help my recovery from long workouts and also maintain lean muscle mass (which is difficult for me to do with all of the training).

I have been taking HGH for 2 years now. I take 4ius a day - 7 days a week. I also supplement with T4 (100mg/day) while on the growth. I usually take am month off every year.

Now to my cycle question - I am looking to start another cycle in a few weeks. I will still be on the growth during this cycle. I am thinking about a test/deca/hgh cycle. The deca is mostly for joint maintenance to help with a bum knee and shoulder.

I was planning 500mg Test Cyp with 400mg Deca per week (2 injections). I plan on running the Test for 12 weeks and the deca for 10. My goal for this cycle is once again not to gain massive weight, but to put on a few solid pounds and aid in my recovery between workouts and races.

I have plenty of nolva, hcg on hand for post cycle therapy (pct) as well as letro to help with the water retention caused by the deca.

My current workout routine is:

Weights - 2 days a week. Mostly core and general strength during race season

Cycling - 300-400 miles per week

Running - 50-60 miles a week

Swimming - 8 miles a week

As you can see its not slot of weight training here.
My Questions:

1. Based on my goal and type of training - would a lower test and deca dose be appropriate?

2. How long does it take for the deca to start easing joing pain?

Thanks in advance for the help.

 

[HUNG4RY4N]

New guy here - I'm a 37 year old competitive triathlete. I am 6ft 190 pounds with 7 % bf. I have done 2 cycles before - both Test Cyp only at 500mgs per week for 10 weeks. My goal was not to put on massive amounts of weight. I found the test to help my recovery from long workouts and also maintain lean muscle mass (which is difficult for me to do with all of the training).

I have been taking HGH for 2 years now. I take 4ius a day - 7 days a week. I also supplement with T4 (100mg/day) while on the growth. I usually take am month off every year.

Now to my cycle question - I am looking to start another cycle in a few weeks. I will still be on the growth during this cycle. I am thinking about a test/deca/hgh cycle. The deca is mostly for joint maintenance to help with a bum knee and shoulder.

I was planning 500mg Test Cyp with 400mg Deca per week (2 injections). I plan on running the Test for 12 weeks and the deca for 10. My goal for this cycle is once again not to gain massive weight, but to put on a few solid pounds and aid in my recovery between workouts and races.

I have plenty of nolva, hcg on hand for pct as well as letro to help with the water retention caused by the deca.

My current workout routine is:

Weights - 2 days a week. Mostly core and general strength during race season

Cycling - 300-400 miles per week

Running - 50-60 miles a week

Swimming - 8 miles a week

As you can see its not slot of weight training here.
My Questions:

1. Based on my goal and type of training - would a lower test and deca dose be appropriate?

2. How long does it take for the deca to start easing joing pain?

Thanks in advance for the help.

I think your doses and goals are spot on. Obviously your diet is already great, so you should see some nice results from that cycle. I personally would even extend it a few weeks

Remember, don't use nolva and deca at the same time. You can use nolva for pct, but using nolva during cycle may cause gyno instead of curing or preventing it.

 

[Shaptown]

Throw in some Bold to increase RBC count

 

[thatotherguy]

Deca from what I heard can be detected a year later in drug test. So I wouldn't take it if I were you.

 

[3ATHLETE]

Thanks for the info.

School me on nolva. I am gyno prone and have always taken 20 mg per day while on cycle. I have had success with Letro to combat symptons and reduce water weight.

Are you saying that taking nolva while on cycle can actually bring on gyno? If that is the case. Would you reccoemnd a daily maint. dose of the letro (.25mg)? Thanks

 

[HUNG4RY4N]

What I'm saying is nolvadex does not help with gyno that's induced by deca. You need Bromocriptine, big doses of B6 vitamin, Dostinex, or Cabaser to combat progesterone/prolactine induced gyno. Nolva will only aggravate and worsen progesterone related gyno, so by all means avoid using it during cycle. Run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), preferably Aromasin at 25mg/day during cycle (this should keep estrogen related sides at bay). Keep letro on hand and have your post cycle therapy (pct) ready and your good to go.

 

[TheMilkMan]

What I'm saying is nolvadex does not help with gyno that's induced by deca. You need Bromocriptine, big doses of B6 vitamin, Dostinex, or Cabaser to combat progesterone/prolactine induced gyno. Nolva will only aggravate and worsen progesterone related gyno, so by all means avoid using it during cycle. Run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), preferably Aromasin at 25mg/day during cycle (this should keep estrogen related sides at bay). Keep letro on hand and have your post cycle therapy (pct) ready and your good to go.

That is very good advice.

 

[TheMilkMan]

If you are looking for nothing more than recovery and joint health, I would cut the Deca dose in half (200mg/wk) and run the Test at 250-300mg/wk and run both for a longer period of time.

 

[Juice Authority]

I don't know. When I'm training in endurance sports, running, biking, MMA I just don't see what role AAS plays in that. I know a few triathletes and AAS is the furthest thing from their mind. It's all about inner-fitness, not muscle endurance, and actually counter-productive because of how it affects the cardiovascular system. What's the point? Now if you're a sprinter or competing in a sport that require short burstable movements that's one thing but cardiovascular endurance and AAS are like oil and vinegar.

 

[Shaptown]

seriously please consider Boldenone (Equipoise). It raises your red blood cell count which will aid in cellular respiration by delivering more oxygen to your myoglobin. Winstrol supposedly has a similar effect but I have never tried it myself.

The downside is that they will increase your blood-pressure. If you are already low (which you probably are being a triathlete and all), this probably isn't a large concern. If it is, talk to your GP about getting on an ACE inhibitor, although I would honestly avoid this since you will CYCLE the AAS.

 

[Trevdog]

If you are looking for nothing more than recovery and joint health, I would cut the Deca dose in half (200mg/wk) and run the Test at 250-300mg/wk and run both for a longer period of time.

I agree with this advice. Generally the endurance atheletes are running lower doses (typically even lower than this).

I also think that 25 mgs. of aromasin is probably more than you would need. I'd suggest half of that dose.

Finally, I doubt that you'll experience any gyno problems from deca whether or not you take anything to counter such problems. I've never done anything about progresterone and I've much higher doses than you are contemplating.

 

[3ATHLETE]

Thanks for all of the info. Are you saying lower dose on the test and the deca? If so - what do you suggest?

 

[RacerX920]

I am currently researching the samething, which is why the last post is 1 month old.

I was thinking about 250 test e and 400 mg Eq., but maybe I will lower to 200 mg Eq. and go for 12 weeks.

My last cycle I remember getting bad back pumps when running while using hgh, test prop 200 a week, and primo 200 a week + anavar. But I'll see what happens. I believe the idea is to gain muscle for your sport, clean of it the juice and you are left with the muscle without the negative sides, pumps, loss of cardio etc...