Cycle outline / Suggestions?

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Achilles4123

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W1-3 Dbol @ 40mg ED 280mg Week 560,128 (½ Dose Morning ½ Dose Noon)
W1-13 Test-E @ 150mg E3D 300mg Week 300,300
W1-10 Tren-E @ 75mg E3D 150mg Week 750,0
W1-10 EQ @ 150mg E3D 300mg Week 300,150
W3-10 Caber @ .25-.50mg E3D .5-1mg week If needed for Prolactin*
W3-13 Arimidex @ .25-.50mg EOD .75-2mg Week
W3-11 T3 @ ED Morning only
W11-12 Superdrol @10mg ED 140mg Week 480,14 (½ Dose Morning ½ Dose Noon)
W13-15 HCG @ 285iu ED 1995iu week (1ml BAC Water into 2000iu = 285iu per .14cc)
PCT
W16½-20½ Novadex @ 40/40/20/20/10mg ED (aka Tamoxifen Citrate)
W16½-20½ Clomid @ 50/50/25/25/12.5mg ED
 
The numbers at the end of each dose confuse me

That's not enough eq and you would not need it with tren anyway.

If you're going to run orals then start the dbol in the beginning like you said, but go for four weeks and use either tbol or var at the end-again for four weeks minimum. You don't want to finish a cycle all bloated. Enjoy that end of cycle monster look while it lasts.
 
There are better ways to use HCG like 250iu twice weekly from wk1 to just before starting PCT. If you do stick with your current HCG regimen you can't stop your AI at wk 13. HCG will spike estrogen levels. You also would consider getting some letro at that point to treat possible intra-testicular aromatizarion.
 
Agree that numbers are confusing

You need an AI and caber from the start all the way up until PCT begins.

What is your previous cycle history?

How old are you?

What are your stats?
 
DreDay187 said:
There are better ways to use HCG like 250iu twice weekly from wk1 to just before starting PCT. If you do stick with your current HCG regimen you can't stop your AI at wk 13. HCG will spike estrogen levels. You also would consider getting some letro at that point to treat possible intra-testicular aromatizarion.
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I didn't know letro combatted intra-testicular aromatization. Are you sure about that?
 
This is a very weird cycle. I understand running test low but why so low with the tren? I'm pinning 100mgs a day and that aint too crazy if u have used tren before. Not understanding the eq. 10 weeks? Are u just using what u have?
 
Aight, Thank you I will change Superdrol to Tbol 40mg ED or Var 80mg ED and extend it back one week. I will also extend my Caber 2 weeks after Tren, and extend Arimidex through my HCG cycle.

The EQ dose is to low? I agree that I see and have pals that run it at 400-600mg Week, but why would the compound be ineffective at 300mg week dose? I'm trying to stay under the radar.

The #'s at the end are just my notes to tell me the Anabolic/Androgenic Rating at the doses per week. My goal was to stay under 1500, but closer to 1000 anabolic rating and to limit the androgenic rating as much as possible.
 
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Haha I'm no tying to fly under the radar that much, and I feel I'm not doing a particularity hard cycle. So I think this cycle should work well with my goals, and can always stop if need be.
I feel my nutrition is pretty good, with pre-made meals, constantly hitting my Macros and keeping up with training, but as in all things there is always room for improvement and learning.

Why do you suggest to rise the test with tren? as I've seen on the thread high test low tren and visa versa, but the common theme seems to be preference.

As for the EQ what would be the reasoning for running it longer?
 
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If u needed to stop your cycle "if need be", tren e isn't what you should be taking. Your also pretty young. You would be better off since u are going to cycle, to just use test. Try 500-750mgs per week. Tren e isn't something to try out first. Plus your dosage is so low. It's really not worth doing. 10 weeks of eq @ 300mgs per week is also a waist. Eq needs to be ran atleast 14-16 weeks. If your trying to keep up with what your buddys are doing, well this just ain't a good idea.
 
Aight so honestly your saying I should forget all this shit till later cycles. Just run another test n dbol cycle? At 500-800mg week, isn't that high an would raise the chance for possible sides? Would you suggest adding another compound in so I can see how my body reacts? Or is that unwise at my age n weight. Since test n dbol aren't as suppressive as most other compounds would HCG be smart to use in a 12 week + cycle?
 
you are young bro, what tbon is saying is you haven't fully developed yet so just wait Or you can do another test dbol cycle. if you insist on adding something rather than bold then read up on deca, maybe you'd want to add that ,get some info on it first though and if you think you can handle that then do a test/deca cycle( I'm not advising you to just go and do it but rather first read up on it.) good luck.
 
U should be getting bloodwork done before, during, and after cycle. With proper use of an ai and pct, u should have virtually no sides.
 
I didn't mean "if need be" as in if the sides are to much although I under stand running an E ester would pose a challenge if a problem were to arise, but I was talking about if I get called away for something I still would have time to PCT.

How long and what is the lowest does suggested foe EQ?

I do get blood work done before and after each cycle/PCT, and I have given blood once within the year. As suggested. Although it doesn't matter I also like to get tested for STD's every 8-12mo's. Just to know if I'm Good 2 Go.

I understand that using at a young age is a form of abuse, but that is why I'm using my older cycling friends, and double checking my cycle on this form, so that I may have a full picture and be able to make an informed decision that is best for my situation. My older friends are competing and I don't really feel the need to compete although if I were I deff would do more of the physique style, instead of them they are way to big for my liking, but it very admirable shows years of hard work just not my style. There point of view is if you plan on using for a long time and can mitigate the side effects that the cycle above is medium above.

All Iv'e really read/heard is warning's about oh you'll shut down your system and have take TRT dose for the rest of your life. Which I mean I've already made the decision to use and the consequences that come with that. I already pin my self EOD to E3D's so a legal prescription and a pin every 14 days doesn't sound remotely bad at all. I take a multi every day whats the difference in pinning ED. I mean is my though process that far off?

As for the deca, I've read that the compound is not that forgiving, not in the harsh side effects in that its not bad at all, but more in the if you're gyno prone it will cause problems, acne prone, and if you don't mitigate your diet correctly it can cause problems. Also that it is suggested to run 12-16+ weeks.

Due to time constraints I cannot run a compound longer than 13 weeks as I have to travel. This coming fall/winter I plan on running a longer cycle, but for now I'm trying to find a cycle that will give me nice lean/solid gains without raising questions. Everyone I interact with on a weekly basis knows I'm a personal trainer and nutritionist so just throwing some BS at them they have no idea that I'm a user if I put on or lose 20lbs, besides most people are ignorant/just don't care.

Any corrections/suggestions are welcome, as I'm new to gear and I'm ignorant to somethings as we all are in some areas, but that's why I posted in the first place to get good clean advice.

Thank you.
 
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