day 5 of clomid and aromasin. Still no changes.

[John_Lennon]

Well.. I was at least hoping that my ejaculation would be better, my mood would be better, my morning wood would come back and maybe some changes in fat and muscle. I hear people talking about clomid like it's going to make you shoot loads like peter north but nothing happened so I'm worried about my testes.

 

[Alpin]

HCG and zinc does more for loads.
You teenagers are ridiculous.
You haven't even stepped into the real world yet and somehow you are trying to diagnose yourself with Low T when clearly you are not. You did 1 blood test and it showed 475 ng/dl right?
Next lab might be 575 ng/dl for all you know.
You cutting these clomid tabs into quarters?
I think the forum should have an age limit for discussions of this nature. You are not hypogonadal. You are not on TRT.
I advise to start taking care if yourself with Testosterone promoting nutrients, minerals, sleep study, good exercise and nutrition program & less online masturbation to porn etc....
Are you hoping for TRT is that why you came here?

 

[Alpin]

A final thing to consider.. I'm 500 ng/dl at 19. How bad will it be when I'm 50. I'd hate to be old getting on TRT and say: "Wow I finally feel good once in my life." What waste of time would that be? So yeah I'm looking for a magic pill, but that's not weird if you naturally have a tendency to get crazy once in a while and depressed at most times.

See a qualified medical practitioner. Run some blood work and discuss these symptoms. You might have anxiety, depression. It usually shows up in late adolescent hood.

 

[juced_porkchop]

ok..

what is your weight and height


your test levels are not low my friend... its very normal for test levels to flux... also, im guessing based on your description of your body that your under eating.. poor nutrition will put your test levels in the gutter..

i think a correct balanced nutrition plan and training routine would take your test levels up much higher... you should consider doing all that before you start using clomid.. clomid isn't the answer here.. your not hypogonadal

I totally agree with you on every point

 

[juced_porkchop]

A final thing to consider.. I'm 500 ng/dl at 19. How bad will it be when I'm 50. I'd hate to be old getting on TRT and say: "Wow I finally feel good once in my life." What waste of time would that be? So yeah I'm looking for a magic pill, but that's not weird if you naturally have a tendency to get crazy once in a while and depressed at most times.

exactly your 19... your not finished developing till about age 25 for males...... so you still have to finish and then see were you sit. using hormones maybe even clomid might through something off. Id go to doc if worried and i would also rec "cognitive therapy" its helpfull for many things and you can find vids or audio on just about anything.
and from 14-20 i felt messed up a bit... but you can control your thoughts, n not have your thoughts control you

 

[halfwit]

i cant believe you actually called yourself chubby..

i started into lifting and dieting when i was 6'3 and 320lbs.. a whopping 35% bodyfat... WHATS YOUR FUCKING EXCUSE??

6'7", 490lbs at ~45% body fat after having TRUE low testosterone for a decade.

6'7", 312lbs at ~12% body fat three and a half years later. If I just cried about my self image and how impossible things were, I'd probably have stroked out by now.

You have to take charge and spend a hell of a lot more time than six months in the gym if you want to SEE those changes happen. It's all mental man; if you tell your body what to do, it will eventually listen - but you have to stop being a victim.

Sack up and fight for what you want, or get used to a life of disappointment. FYI: my total test was a QUARTER of what you have. You have the tools, use them.

My .02c

Edit: lol, meant this as a reinforcement for what 3J posted. Let his words sink in. Trying to fuck with your hormones at 19 will only spell disaster for you in the future.

 

[Alpin]

I think Halfwit's back on the Tren.....
He rarely writes but has come back with a vengeance. ...lol
Wow holy shit 490 lbs with 45% b.f.

 

[halfwit]

I think Halfwit's back on the Tren.....
He rarely writes but has come back with a vengeance. ...lol
Wow holy shit 490 lbs with 45% b.f.

No tren, just a bit of free time.

Yes, life sucks with legit hypogonadism. No doubt about it.

 

[Alpin]

No tren, just a bit of free time.

Yes, life sucks with legit hypogonadism. No doubt about it.

Theres a positive side to it though. .
There are G.P's who claim they could treat it with wellbutrin.

 

[John_Lennon]

Well.. The clomid isn't an option cause it made me feel worse. But come on.. you don't really think that my hormone level is able to increase? It's just not a good number. I also think that the only reason you had low T was because of high estrogen caused by the high bodyfat.

 

[John_Lennon]

Also, did you get TRT?

 

[Alpin]

Pm me tell me more.

 

[halfwit]

Well.. The clomid isn't an option cause it made me feel worse. But come on.. you don't really think that my hormone level is able to increase? It's just not a good number. I also think that the only reason you had low T was because of high estrogen caused by the high bodyfat.

Sure you can increase your hormone value, at a risk of developing issues later on. Don't focus on a number, that's just silly as you have no idea just how much testosterone you personally (it's different for everyone) need to function properly.

I wasn't obese when I destroyed my leydig cells, causing primary hypogonadism. The fun stuff like obesity and diabetes came a bit later. If you dig around here enough you'll get to read my sob story in its entirety, I'll just TLDR it as: opiates are bad... Mmmkay?

But I'm glad you're trying your hand at diagnosing something you clearly have much to learn about. Trt is NOT for getting jacked and swole. It's to make it so you can actually function, and not die a slow painful death. The fact that you're freaking out over a week of clomid tells me that there's no way you could handle the 5-6 weeks it takes for injections to fully take effect. Hell, you should be grateful that you do have decent test levels as I'm sure you'd balk at the idea of frequent blood tests and dialing in a proper dose.

Yes, after a decade of being treated for everything but low T, I put it all together and requested a hormone panel to be done - placing me on hormone therapy. If you truly have a need, not just some skinny kid that has no clue on diet or training - TRT is a lifesaver. Otherwise, it's a waste of time and money.

I really don't get the younger guys trying to cycle with replacement doses, setting themselves up for more disappointment. If you want to get big, hit that diet section up and make real nice with 3J.

Best of luck.

 

[halfwit]

Theres a positive side to it though. .
There are G.P's who claim they could treat it with wellbutrin.

Technically some forms of secondary could be treated that way. Wellbutrin is a dopamine agonist afterall, and excess prolactin definitely eats up testosterone. Just not the way I'd want to go personally.

 

[Alpin]

Technically some forms of secondary could be treated that way. Wellbutrin is a dopamine agonist afterall, and excess prolactin definitely eats up testosterone. Just not the way I'd want to go personally.

Ya but if a guy has 6.5 nmol/l of TT with some disgusting ranges bottoming out at 6 nmol/l in some places in the world.
A doctor should be held in ethical violation for promoting an anti depressant to treat the obvious hypogonadism that is on paper pretty much.

 

[Alpin]

Technically some forms of secondary could be treated that way. Wellbutrin is a dopamine agonist afterall, and excess prolactin definitely eats up testosterone. Just not the way I'd want to go personally.

I heard it stimulates more epinephrine if anything...
Who knows. I took that too for 5 years....lol
On top of HCG mono. Lol

 

[John_Lennon]

You don't get what I'm saying. I'm not mad because I'm skinny. I'm made because my body doesn't produce as much testosterone as most guys my age wich gives me a disadvantage at loads of things. I find it hard to accept that I'm less of a man than average because face it.. Testosterone is what makes the alpha male. THAT is my frustration.. I don't like the wide hips, skinny wrists, inadequate feeling, social anxiety, depression and all the other things I've allways had that equal beta-maleness. My level is in range but not GOOD. I'm just being realistic when I say that my body won't ever be aestetic in a natural way because I'm not blessed with good genes. So therefore I want to change my levels to that of a "real" man. I also don't believe that no morning wood, clear ejaculation, weak muscles and joints and a big lack of confidence is a good thing to anybody. I really believe that some people are naturally born with disadvantages like this (if not there would be no natural selection, right?) but that doesn't mean that a beta male with low-average testosterone wouldn't benefit from the advantage of high testosterone like the guys who have that naturally, right? I mean.. I'm a man with an X and an Y chromosome. Why would I need less testosterone than the next guy? I don't believe that. I believe that if the next guy produces more testosterone it doesn't mean that that level "suits" him best. I think it's just so that he might have that little advantage naturally while I might benefit from it too even though my body isn't able to produce as much. I hope that you can still follow my explaination. Why I think this way? Look at all other species. High testosterone = high dominance (think confidence, power etc. etc.) low testosterone = low dominance (think depression, anxiety, etc. etc.). There are more people who think this way and I also got this information by reading online and it actually makes a lot of sense. I don't like the fact that I'm naturally more likely to become depressed, have a little more anxiety, am more afraid to take risks etc. etc. just because I was born with little than youthfull levels of testosterone. I hope you get what I'm saying and understand my situation. I'm NOT just a skinny guy wanting to jump on testosterone. I just want to be alpha even though I wasn't meant to be one. Does that make sense?

 

[halfwit]

Yeah, it makes perfect sense. You're trying to justify mucking with your hormones.

AAS will NOT: Give you stronger joints, thicken your bones, fix an underlying mental issue (can make it worse), or instantly make you a fire-breathing alpha male that gets to bang the prom queen at your leisure.

It's a scientific fact that some men require less testosterone to function. Hell, you're not even looking at free test, which is truly what is responsible for the androgenic traits you so painfully covet.

Sorry dude, but diet and training are the answers here - not hormones in a bottle/vial.

 

[John_Lennon]

I really think you underestimate my knowledge.. I did research.. I researched this shit for a year now (I know it's not really improving my confidence it's actually lowering it but still I did my research). If I didn't know what I was doing I would choose a SERM and AI to raise my testosterone levels. I did that on purpose because aromasin and clomid doesn't mess with your natural hormone balance and when coming off there is no rebound effect (a little bit in clomid maybe) as far as I know. I read everywhere that depression and especially low confidence could very well be caused by under-average testosterone levels. I also know that a lot of things might not change. My hips won't shrink and my wrists won't thicken.. But testosterone definitly has an effect on joints and bone-density (I get it.. density doesn't change the shape of my bones allright.) and also on mental well-being. You know that too, you just don't want to admit it because you think I shouldn't use clomid and aromsin. Well.. you might not agree with me here, but I'm pretty sure that if I was born with high free T and DHT (all through life) I wouldn't be so goddamn insecure. It's not a coincidence that I've allways been a quitter and a low status outsider who allways got picked on. I even got picked on because of skinny built and small shoulders. That wouldn't happen if I was a high T male. I really think that this is something that happens in all animals INCLUDING humans. LOW T = low dominance.

 

[halfwit]

I really think you underestimate my knowledge.. I did research.. I researched this shit for a year now (I know it's not really improving my confidence it's actually lowering it but still I did my research). If I didn't know what I was doing I would choose a SERM and AI to raise my testosterone levels. I did that on purpose because aromasin and clomid doesn't mess with your natural hormone balance and when coming off there is no rebound effect (a little bit in clomid maybe) as far as I know. I read everywhere that depression and especially low confidence could very well be caused by under-average testosterone levels. I also know that a lot of things might not change. My hips won't shrink and my wrists won't thicken.. But testosterone definitly has an effect on joints and bone-density (I get it.. density doesn't change the shape of my bones allright.) and also on mental well-being. You know that too, you just don't want to admit it because you think I shouldn't use clomid and aromsin. Well.. you might not agree with me here, but I'm pretty sure that if I was born with high free T and DHT (all through life) I wouldn't be so goddamn insecure. It's not a coincidence that I've allways been a quitter and a low status outsider who allways got picked on. I even got picked on because of skinny built and small shoulders. That wouldn't happen if I was a high T male. I really think that this is something that happens in all animals INCLUDING humans. LOW T = low dominance.

If you had done your research as you stated, you would know that AAS DECREASES joint strength and can have a negative impact on connective tissues. There are very few exceptions to this, and even those compounds have a minimal positive impact.

Secondly, what do you think you are taking? Clomid IS a SERM, and the way it works is by tricking your body into thinking you're lacking estrogen. This in turn causes an increase in leutinizing hormone to be released from the pituitary gland, raising the total output by the leydig cells in your testes.

Here is where your plan and research falls short: The holy grail of results you see strewn all over the Internet either are based on a female or a hypogonadal male. If there is nothing wrong with your LH output, you will see lackluster results. I don't even want to touch the fact that you think an AI will help you AND increase bone density as it will have the OPPOSITE effect as estrogen is the chief hormone responsible for bone growth.

Look, I'm not trying to beat up on you by any means, but you seem to think that changing your hormone profile will be the silver bullet for all your woes - I'm simply trying to save you from wasting your time and money.

Some of the most alpha and bad ass dudes I know have test levels in the mid-400's to low 500's (ng/dl). I'm talking guys that have served in the Special Forces and would definitely be the dudes you want backing you up if there was trouble. Should I go tell them that since they have low test, they're pussies?

Not if I want to continue being able to eat solid food.

Trust me, this silly shit about alpha males and aesthetics has nothing to do with your hormones, and more with your outlook on life. But hey, I'm only twice your age - so I probably don't know what I'm talking about.