Megatron28
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OP: Your testosterone level is perfectly normal for your age of 19 years old. Your total testosterone is not the cause of all your woes.
day 5 of clomid and aromasin. Still no changes.
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Alpin
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Good points Halfwit. But dont forget you are at 1200 ng dl TT
Theres good reason to think that maybe you could have saved yourself from lifelong of TRT by perhaps running HCG for a while and then clomid.
You are physically and mentally able to handle anxieties that others clearly cant.
Maybe those opiodes didn't completely fry your leydigs...??
Jimstigator
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I honestly don't even get what the hell this KID is taking about. Thin wrists? Seriously? My wrists are the size of a 10 year old girl and I have deadlifted/squated 2.5 times my bw, benched 2x, and overall changed my look from shrimpy twerp to "alpha male" as you put it. I can't believe a Dr is even testing you at 19. This stuff pisses me off...
Go focus on 19 year old stuff, like figuring out where to meet up after prom. Semen volume? Jesus dude....
Go focus on 19 year old stuff, like figuring out where to meet up after prom. Semen volume? Jesus dude....
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Alpin
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F'n ridiculous.
John_Lennon
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Sorry, but I care. But since the clomid and aromasin didn't do anything I'll try the natural way, but I'm not going to do nothing about it at all.
John_Lennon
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Also Apollon. You think it's ridiculous that I think my test is low while you're saying: "Imo you could feel fine at 600 TT". So you're actually saying that 475 ng/dl will make you feel shittier than a higher level, right? I still don't get why clomid doesn't work by the way.. If my lh and fsh are high than why don't I have higher testosterone. Wouldn't that mean that my testicles are not responding enough to the lh and fsh? Just my two cents.
Alpin
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I don't understand John. Where are your lh, fsh levels listed?
12.5 mg eod is a WEAK dose for clomid and guys use that as a maintenance dose after using at minimum 50 mg 3 times a week for several months. At present I have lower levels than you. At 500 I felt great. I think I'm down to 360 now...
Last labs was 366 ng and I am pretty opinionated and dont get pushed around like a low T guy you might think is.
But I'm cheating....I sleep with cpap for 8 hours a night.
Even with 1300 ng/dl TT without cpap I was not optimal running and very sluggish.
Oh the stuff I could tell you about my life.
12.5 mg eod is a WEAK dose for clomid and guys use that as a maintenance dose after using at minimum 50 mg 3 times a week for several months. At present I have lower levels than you. At 500 I felt great. I think I'm down to 360 now...
Last labs was 366 ng and I am pretty opinionated and dont get pushed around like a low T guy you might think is.
But I'm cheating....I sleep with cpap for 8 hours a night.
Even with 1300 ng/dl TT without cpap I was not optimal running and very sluggish.
Oh the stuff I could tell you about my life.
Alpin
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OP: Your testosterone level is perfectly normal for your age of 19 years old. Your total testosterone is not the cause of all your woes.
At 25 I was told my T level of 585-663 ng/dl was low.
I messed with it a year earlier and had low FSH with low normal LH. A couple months before the 663 ng /dl I was at 896 ng/dl TT. ...
I was training pretty hard after my cycle ended and trying to stimulate Test that way. I may have lowered my T levels like Cashout did when training hard.
Jimstigator
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I think that's an excellent idea. Clomid did exactly what it should, kept your LH and FSH high. In the case of someone with an actual problem, it could have raised those values for them. I would just relax man. I can tell you, the other 19 year old guys running around acting like "alpha males" don't sit around pondering how to get to alpha male status. There is always going to be someone bigger and better. If you feel ok - then just man up and deal with it. Its one thing to be at a TT of 90 and hardly be able to walk, vs a KID who wants to feel like the big guy on the block. Also - likely all of your problems are diet related.
And you know... you might end up with a real problem like the guys around here, but at 19, its too hard to tell.
At your age, its mostly just a mental game... and a lot of show.
-Jim
Alpin
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You are absolutely right. There are guys that can't absorb fats and it was found out when they were on TRT and then they came off TRT and restored their T levels to mid range by addressing the problem.
John_Lennon
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Well.. maybe it's the abosrtion of fat, but I don't know and I most likely won't find out. It could be a deficit in whatever my body needs, but I just don't know where to start. I decided to just do some intermittent fasting, eat loads of fat and protein and maybe some herbs along with doing some playometrics everyday. I do in fact see a difference already in the weeks I've been doing it (I've been busy while whining) but I see the same as I did before I stopped working out.. I honestly doubt that I'll ever be aestetic since my wrists are literally 6.5 inch around, while my chest circumference is about 40 inch and my hips are only slightly smaller about 38 inch. My waist is like 31 inches. My shoulders are 45 inches. Fuck man.. how do you accept being ugly from an evolutionary perspective? Hope one day to have a body like ryan reynolds. That would be very hard but at least achieveable with my built. (though I might need loads of steroids in the future).
Alpin
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A bro that I went to high school with had massive wrists and thicker forearms than me. Back then as a teen we all were in competition with each other I.e. sports...
It mattered back then but my mentality and outlook were juvenile in nature.
You will grow out of this. I would focus on the symptoms and the way you feel and stop dwelling on stuff you can't change.
It mattered back then but my mentality and outlook were juvenile in nature.
You will grow out of this. I would focus on the symptoms and the way you feel and stop dwelling on stuff you can't change.
John_Lennon
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Thanks I guess.. But no, I'm not that kind of guy. I've got plenty of friends, I go to parties, I work with older people. Most of the time I just don't feel awesome doing all of this. If I ever isolate myself it's only because I prefer to be alone. But mostly I go with the flow. Just because I sometimes hate myself doesn't mean I don't live a normal life the rest of the time.
John_Lennon
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But yes, the hate is very deep and also a bit rational, I think. All I can do is work on building some meat to my skinny frame, but I can't really feel good in a social situation (looking weak = less respect) when I walk around like this so I do want to achieve a better body still.
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