Dead Lifts VS. Power cleans

[Derexan]

I was wondering the other day, and unless you have some sort of debilitating injury why dont you just do power cleans, or hang cleans. Power cleans have the dead lift in the motion, plus they build explosive power. Dead lifts just seem pointless to me unless you have an injury

 

[hornedfrogs07]

Powerlifts are more for explosive strength & power, whereas deads are great for building brute strength. Power cleans do very little in the way of building size & definition in the muscles like deads do, but they're wonderful if you need the explosion, such as in a sport like football.

Entirely different lifts, with entirely different purposes.

 

[Derexan]

yes, thats why i do them

 

[invisiblewounds]

The exercises are actually quite similar, the major difference is in how you do them. IF you perform deads w/ heavy weight and accelerate the bar, they will have an effect similar to that of a power clean. The problem w/ the cleans is that excellent technique must be used to handle maximum weight. The main difference is how you perform them, and the effect they impart on the nervous system.

 

[slobberknocker]

Powerlifts are more for explosive strength & power, whereas deads are great for building brute strength.

The deadlift is one of the three powerlifts. The other two are bench press and squat. Just to clarify. Lots of people seem to confuse oly lifts and powerlifts.

 

[b fold the truth]

I honestly don't see how any Olympic Lift will make anyone more explosive.

The Olympic lifts take a HUGE amount of technique to be done properly and to be beneficial. The deadlift is more complicated that some may believe though, as well.

I like the deadlift...because I move LOTS of weight...something that just isn't done to that extent in a power clean.

B True

 

[invisiblewounds]

I honestly don't see how any Olympic Lift will make anyone more explosive.

Oly lifts are basically plyometrics w/ weight. They increase motor unit activation and synchronization, as well as cns stimulation and they have an ammoritization phase as well. All of the above are necessary in increasing ones explosive capabilities.

 

[Meatball]

bro its a no brainer, like b fold said if you can clean maybe 225 compared to deadlifting 585 which is going to build the most muscle?

 

[hornedfrogs07]

I honestly don't see how any Olympic Lift will make anyone more explosive.

Oly lifts are basically plyometrics w/ weight. They increase motor unit activation and synchronization, as well as cns stimulation and they have an ammoritization phase as well. All of the above are necessary in increasing ones explosive capabilities.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[hornedfrogs07]

bro its a no brainer, like b fold said if you can clean maybe 225 compared to deadlifting 585 which is going to build the most muscle?

True, but you could look at this from the perspective that deads are complimentary to cleans, in that increasing the amount of weight one could deadlift should theoretically increase the amount of weight one should be able to clean.

 

[b fold the truth]

Willie Wessels has pulled 799 @ 229 but his clean was and is horrible. He is a pretty freakishly strong person in all athletics...especiall in Strongman Events.

I think that the theory that people with a big clean are generally more powerful and more explosive...could be slightly incorrect in how it is stated. It is quite possibly "people who are explosive and powerful, in general, tend to also have big cleans."

With the OL lifts...so much of it is technique and if you want to take the average Joe OL lifter then I'd say that if he has a good clean he has pretty solid technique.

I, for another example, have a horrible power clean, yet can pull 700+ and I'm a fairly explosive and powerful athlete.

I still don't understand how the OL lifts will make anyone explosive. My workout partner, Cheese, is the least explosive individual I've ever met...I'm thinking that no matter how much he does the OL lifts...he ain't gonna be explosive. Using Accomodating Resistance has helped him quite a bit though...

B True

 

[invisiblewounds]

Accomodating resistance and oly lifts work on the same concept of compensatory acceleration.One simnply requires more skill and technique then the other. At my facility, we have taken people who most thaught had no potential to be fast and explosive, once they became proficient at the oly lifts everything changed. There is obviously more to it then simply getting a big clean, but it was a key part.

 

[slobberknocker]

I just look at my friend. 6'1, 315 lbs. Doesn't do anything except powerlifting. Squats 800 in wraps and a belt. I've seen him dunk a basketball before. And he's about the fastest sprinter I know.

I remember watching him try to clean 275 and his form was just atrocious. Basically muscled it up. Looked like a wrist curl.

 

[hornedfrogs07]

I just look at my friend. 6'1, 315 lbs. Doesn't do anything except powerlifting. Squats 800 in wraps and a belt. I've seen him dunk a basketball before. And he's about the fastest sprinter I know.

I remember watching him try to clean 275 and his form was just atrocious. Basically muscled it up. Looked like a wrist curl.

Yeah, I went to school with a guy like that. Bout 280 or so, short as hell, strong as an ox, and ran a sub 4.8 in the 40. Some people just have good genetics for that and some people don't.

 

[slobberknocker]

I don't know if it's genetics or what. He was a skinny little kid in highschool. Now he's a horse. He does a lot of martial arts training so maybe that helps his speed. I don't know.

If you ask him though, he credits his athleticism to powerlifting.