Different second cycle coming back from first cycle

[Smithsk89]

So this is my first post on any of this stuff. I have done a lot of research but haven't found anyone in with my similar situation.

A little about myself. I am 6'2". Before I ran my first cycle I weighed 195 lbs. I ran 500mg of test-e (2 250's a week) and 200mg of tren-e. I finished my cycle at a weight of 225lbs. For my pct I ran clomid and nolvadex and also took clen to cut fat during my off. As of now I am at 210lbs and about to start my next cycle.

So my question for all you experienced guys out there. I am looking at running test-e and dbol for my second cycle. I know most people would say I should have just ran test for my first cycle. So when I run this cycle should I go back to 500mg/week of test-e through the whole thing? Someone said I should start with 250mg/week and then when I plateau I should bump it up to 500mg/week. I'm also considering running tren-ace right after. Can I run 250mg/week while on dbol then bump up to 500mg/week when I start the tren-ace. I know a lot will say just do a basic dbol cycle. But looking at the possibilities of dbol and tren in the same cycle. I have a friend that did it and he got rediculous gains from it. And he ran aromasin during all of it. Thank you in advance and sorry for the long first post

 

[Milton]

welcome to the boards! have you done any blood test?age?

 

[Smithsk89]

welcome to the boards! have you done any blood test?age?

I am 27 years old. I ran blood work a couple months before I ever even considered taking an AAS. I didn't really know what I was looking for other than test levels. At that time I was at 820ng/dl. After my cycle I ended at 793ng/dl. Maybe I took the test too soon after my cycle. I don't know how much it is suppose to drop. I heard some people say they could even be higher than before.

 

[tbonexl]

Who in the hell would suggest a dbol cycle???

 

[anzel]

I think he means dbol while using test no?

 

[Gibsonator]

I would stay at 500/week run the dbol first 4-6 weeks send me a postcard from gainzville brutha

 

[Gibsonator]

And dont forget to run an ai

 

[Teutonic]

Good test levels before and after.
U will love d bol s well being and strength but be careful and if u need an ai; have one as your taking the
ANTI CUT DRUG.

It does produce very large gain s in a relatively short time but it s subject to be pissed out VERY QUICKLY.

 

[Teutonic]

....will the last American leaving Cali grab the flag....

lol

 

[Milton]

so this is a dbol and test cycle?

 

[Roush]

Good test levels before and after.
U will love d bol s well being and strength but be careful and if u need an ai; have one as your taking the
ANTI CUT DRUG.

It does produce very large gain s in a relatively short time but it s subject to be pissed out VERY QUICKLY.

this is very true , UNLESS you use the taper method that I'm an advocate of (not a lot of guys agree with me on the taper method on these forums , but not a lot of guys tried it for themselves) . you will be a lot less likely to piss out all the wet gains from a Dbol cycle if you run it for at least 6 weeks, then you taper off of it slowly the remainder of your cycle. your body will acclimate to the wet gains and be more likely to hold onto them

 

[Teutonic]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

THE only golden rule really is --------------
Find your way of what does what to you why..in the 80 s tapering was standard and not en vogue anymore.

But with a heavy water drug like d bol Roush s assessment is solid AS LONG u remember when your on AAS regardless of dose ( Var for some is not suppressive but I ve never done it ) ur HPTA is OFF. Tapering down will , as noted not cause the dramatic water loss . Remember that muscle is by and large dictated by it s ability to store of glycogen and this is facilitated better w AAS .

So many newb s think the HPTA s a faucet and can be adjusted like adjusting the water temp . There is no sweet spot w regard to finding the HPTA s "sweet warm setting " and not shutting it off. Heavy doses and certain lingering drug s like deca clearly weigh heavy on recovery.
That ain t how dis shiiieet works.
It s either
Cold--HPTA S off LINE ur on AAS
OR
Hot - HPTA s back on line ur off AAS trying to get natural function back.
I m trt. Always s on as I have low to no T based on a 42 month heavy cycle and gross doses of deca and everything else I could fit in to a syringe....cycle that destroyed my ability to ever recover

U ll be fine. Research everything you stick in your body and then ask good q s and u ll not get thrashed. I promise.

Lot s of guy s like Roush, 49 er, Soldier, 3j, Old Muscle Mike...that have decades of use abuse and a return to sanity. I m still struggling and WAY OVERRATED.

 

[Roush]

Find your way of what does what to you why..in the 80 s tapering was standard and not en vogue anymore.

But with a heavy water drug like d bol Roush s assessment is solid AS LONG u remember when your on AAS regardless of dose ( Var for some is not suppressive but I ve never done it ) ur HPTA is OFF. Tapering down will , as noted not cause the dramatic water loss . Remember that muscle is by and large dictated by it s ability to store of glycogen and this is facilitated better w AAS .

So many newb s think the HPTA s a faucet and can be adjusted like adjusting the water temp . There is no sweet spot w regard to finding the HPTA s "sweet warm setting " and not shutting it off. Heavy doses and certain lingering drug s like deca clearly weigh heavy on recovery.
That ain t how dis shiiieet works.
It s either
Cold--HPTA S off LINE ur on AAS
OR
Hot - HPTA s back on line ur off AAS trying to get natural function back..

I'm sure T has known guys back in the day that used to blast Dbol and then do a taper off of it, for months, probably used it 20mg every pre-workout too . the problem was they were always shutting themselves down doing this and they never had a chance to recover.
they needed to have a test base or be on TRT.
now guys have just dismissed tapering all together . but if you run a test base or are on TRT then it will work just fine. you taper when your on test, not when your off or trying to recover.

So if your doing a 12 week run, you can blast Dbol for the first 6 weeks , then you have the remainder of your cycle to taper. BUT don't do what they did back in the day , and try and taper after the 12 weeks when your no longer on test and your trying to recover, the dbol will just keep you suppressed.

 

[Teutonic]

EXACTLY..u beat anything down forever or looong period s of time or even slightly it s chances of recovery back to homeostasis is almost sure to be nil zero nada nyet nien uh uh no f n way..