Do you think one of them is using gear pt. 2

[halfwit]

guys if you see people who hopelessly need to be in the diet section make sure to send them there.. you guys are some of the top contributors on this site.. so let them know about me.. my services.. and also my free diet advice thread

You know I do. Bulking has never been an issue for me because I love to eat, but I can't wait to be at 10% or less body fat and NEED to bulk - that is going to be fun as hell being on the 3J train and seeing what you can do as I try to get my weight up.

Money is a huge issue and my insurance sucks Cap cocks. I'm still on the fence about what to tell my Doc. I think I might ask him about testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and see how he reacts and go from there. I'd rather he know, but I also really doubt he'll hand me a script and tell me to pin myself.

I think I'll do labcorp in a month. Very tempted to just start and wait for a 6 week blood draw and adjust from there, but I know starting without knowing baseline numbers is well, something Panda would do.

Yeah, you definitely want to at least see what your baseline is. It's all too easy to be in PCT and want to find that way out by jumping back on because you can justify it.

If it's written in crayon like mine is you're g2g.
I actually have to go pick up my cyp script after work today or tomorrow.
$15 is hard to beat.

I hate you. I have to print out coupons from online to get mine for 2-3x that cost. Fucking Aetna sucks balls.

Sometimes I wonder.
I never got to experience what the alternative was

Consider yourself fortunate. Unless you were being facetious in an older testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) thread, I know when you started, which must have really sucked - but having been hypogonadal for at least a decade, I can tell you that it is a living hell. You're tired all the time, you hate everything, you snap for no reason at all, have crying fits for not reason, have trouble remembering the smallest things sometimes, anxiety attacks, restless leg syndrome, and that GOD DAMN BELLYFAT that just wouldn't go away. I'm STILL bringing that body fat down that I would literally cry in a fit of rage about while in the gym because I just couldn't put on ANY muscle mass, yet kept watching it atrophy while my gut kept getting bigger and bigger.

I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. Granted, I was very low with elevated estrogen thanks to how the metabolism ties to testosterone and the fact that aromatase thrives in adipose tissue. Docs words were, "Wow, you have the same hormone profile as a 14 year old girl during her menses." Yep. I have a unique perspective on women, let's just say that.

 

[halfwit]

I'm also going to guess she's a fake red head. Not that it really matters.

Hahahaha she looks nice and... flexible.

Yeah, I'd LOVE to find out. Damn, this figures - so my daughter has been climbing into our bed at around 2-3 am EVERY DAY, pretty much cockblocking me. So I had an opportunity last week to get some as we put her to bed early and of course, her period starts. Now that her period is over and our daughter is at Grandma and Grandpa's for the week - SHE GOES ON A BUSINESS TRIP.

Yep, this week is going to be a lot of

Startin' with red here.

Smart man.

x2. But I would avoid the gels as you have a daughter. You don't want her permanently messing up her HPGA.

 

[71Avido]

Consider yourself fortunate. Unless you were being facetious in an older testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) thread, I know when you started, which must have really sucked - but having been hypogonadal for at least a decade, I can tell you that it is a living hell. You're tired all the time, you hate everything, you snap for no reason at all, have crying fits for not reason, have trouble remembering the smallest things sometimes, anxiety attacks, restless leg syndrome, and that GOD DAMN BELLYFAT that just wouldn't go away. I'm STILL bringing that body fat down that I would literally cry in a fit of rage about while in the gym because I just couldn't put on ANY muscle mass, yet kept watching it atrophy while my gut kept getting bigger and bigger.

I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. Granted, I was very low with elevated estrogen thanks to how the metabolism ties to testosterone and the fact that aromatase thrives in adipose tissue. Docs words were, "Wow, you have the same hormone profile as a 14 year old girl during her menses." Yep. I have a unique perspective on women, let's just say that.

I was telling the truth when I said that, 100% no lie.

I'm dealing with your hypogonadal sides even while still on TRT.
The anxiety, the impossible belly fat, the inconsistent mood/strength, can't build muscle no matter what, all of it.
I haven't had a day yet where at least a few of those things aren't on my list.
I'm not trying to one-up or anything believe me, your situation sucks too.

The brain fog, how do you deal with it?
Every day it feels like I'm losing more grip with reality and slipping more and more into a dream.

I really, really wished our buddy from Texas didn't seem to dislike me.
Him, Dre and yourself would probably be intrigued by my story. I've just go so many questions and no sources for answers. If you heard it, you'd probably come up with some amazing questions also.
I sent him a PM before he left asking for a contact e-mail or some place that I could stay in touch so that I could pick his brain a little. Still didn't get a response :/

 

[Rumpy]

Well Half, without bloods I can tell you my symptoms are not as severe as yours, but yes, I have most of them and have for about 5 years. That was before I ever cycled, it was originally interest in testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) that got me interested in cycling, so this isn't just a knee-jerk response to not wanting to come off.

 

[Rumpy]

I agree Half, I'm not interested in gels. Not only do I have a daughter, but the cost of TD's is astronomical. I'd rather get another car if I had that much to spend

 

[halfwit]

I was telling the truth when I said that, 100% no lie.

I'm dealing with your hypogonadal sides even while still on TRT.
The anxiety, the impossible belly fat, the inconsistent mood/strength, can't build muscle no matter what, all of it.
I haven't had a day yet where at least a few of those things aren't on my list.
I'm not trying to one-up or anything believe me, your situation sucks too.

The brain fog, how do you deal with it?
Every day it feels like I'm losing more grip with reality and slipping more and more into a dream.

Well, my situation is pretty much resolved. I do get the sleepies every so often, but I am going to see if HCG helps with that. I have to say then that I do not envy your situation at all and definitely don't feel like you're trying to one-up me at all. Have you had your DHEA/pregnenolone/progesterone checked? I keep reading that HCG helps with all that (even more so than taking them individually) as DHEA is a precursor for many of the adrenal hormones, which cause a lot of those problems.

Honestly, the best thing I ever did was a blast somewhat early into TRT. It is conjecture for the most part, but I most definitely felt a HUGE difference afterwards. Some progressive doctors feel that folks that have serious HPTA issues need to do this type of approach as it can help "wake up" androgen receptors. I thought it was b.s. at first, but I'd say that it definitely helped tremendously. That's part of the reason why I blast and cruise now - I don't want to mess up a good thing.

 

[71Avido]

I agree Half, I'm not interested in gels. Not only do I have a daughter, but the cost of TD's is astronomical. I'd rather get another car if I had that much to spend

I didn't know you had a daughter.
My point was that instead of cutting straight to the chase, it might not be a bad idea long term to beat around the bush a little and establish a relationship based on rebuilding your vitality.

 

[CptFKNplanet]

Yeah, I'd LOVE to find out. Damn, this figures - so my daughter has been climbing into our bed at around 2-3 am EVERY DAY, pretty much cockblocking me. So I had an opportunity last week to get some as we put her to bed early and of course, her period starts. Now that her period is over and our daughter is at Grandma and Grandpa's for the week - SHE GOES ON A BUSINESS TRIP.

Yep, this week is going to be a lot of

Startin' with red here.


x2. But I would avoid the gels as you have a daughter. You don't want her permanently messing up her HPGA.

I personally would hope there's nothing down there to give it away... lol. HAHAHA damn, fuck your life eh? Ain't nothin wrong with beatin it. Trust me, I do multiple times per day. Every day... and I have for a long time... don't jack off. You'll get caught in a never ending cycle of sorrow and filth.

Also a good point. That could be a reason to get injections though. "I have a daughter and don't want it rubbing off on her." "Oh well, here you go Mr Rumpy go ahead and start pinning yourself right away."

 

[halfwit]

Well Half, without bloods I can tell you my symptoms are not as severe as yours, but yes, I have most of them and have for about 5 years. That was before I ever cycled, it was originally interest in testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) that got me interested in cycling, so this isn't just a knee-jerk response to not wanting to come off.

I think a great deal of folks that have low test look into cycling as they know something's wrong, but can't put a finger on it. In fact, I had been trying out just about every test booster on the market and was getting ready to cycle, so I got my pre-cycle test done. That's how I found out I was hypogonadal. I was just fed up with my inability to make changes, and turns out that testosterone was exactly what I needed haha.

I agree Half, I'm not interested in gels. Not only do I have a daughter, but the cost of TD's is astronomical. I'd rather get another car if I had that much to spend

Yeah, they rape you on the prices. Of course it's because they can patent them, so they have free reign over costs.

 

[71Avido]

Well, my situation is pretty much resolved. I do get the sleepies every so often, but I am going to see if HCG helps with that. I have to say then that I do not envy your situation at all and definitely don't feel like you're trying to one-up me at all. Have you had your DHEA/pregnenolone/progesterone checked? I keep reading that HCG helps with all that (even more so than taking them individually) as DHEA is a precursor for many of the adrenal hormones, which cause a lot of those problems.

Honestly, the best thing I ever did was a blast somewhat early into TRT. It is conjecture for the most part, but I most definitely felt a HUGE difference afterwards. Some progressive doctors feel that folks that have serious HPTA issues need to do this type of approach as it can help "wake up" androgen receptors. I thought it was b.s. at first, but I'd say that it definitely helped tremendously. That's part of the reason why I blast and cruise now - I don't want to mess up a good thing.

I'm sitting on a script right from my endo but it doesn't cover any of those.
It's just some stupid crap that he wants me to do.
I'll be pursuing private bloods when I feel my recent adjustment settles out.

The blast is something I'm VERY interested in trying out. The waiting game stinks.
Eventually I'll take this whole thing over myself once I'm confident my script will be safe.

 

[71Avido]

Also a good point. That could be a reason to get injections though. "I have a daughter and don't want it rubbing off on her." "Oh well, here you go Mr Rumpy go ahead and start pinning yourself right away."

Good argument, as for taking over injections yourself, argue that your job has you traveling without much notice.

 

[DreDay187]

I'm sitting on a script right from my endo but it doesn't cover any of those.
It's just some stupid crap that he wants me to do.
I'll be pursuing private bloods when I feel my recent adjustment settles out.

The blast is something I'm VERY interested in trying out. The waiting game stinks.
Eventually I'll take this whole thing over myself once I'm confident my script will be safe.

That's one waiting game I could go without

 

[halfwit]

I didn't know you had a daughter.
My point was that instead of cutting straight to the chase, it might not be a bad idea long term to beat around the bush a little and establish a relationship based on rebuilding your vitality.

Your approach is exactly how I advise guys in the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) section by the way. Let the doctor do his job and just give him symptoms. Avoid key words such as: muscle, fat, gym, libido, girls, weights, body building, physique and you should be fine.

I personally would hope there's nothing down there to give it away... lol. HAHAHA damn, fuck your life eh? Ain't nothin wrong with beatin it. Trust me, I do multiple times per day. Every day... and I have for a long time... don't jack off. You'll get caught in a never ending cycle of sorrow and filth.

Also a good point. That could be a reason to get injections though. "I have a daughter and don't want it rubbing off on her." "Oh well, here you go Mr Rumpy go ahead and start pinning yourself right away."

Man, I used to rub one out at least 4-5x a day - but finally got the wife "trained", so I could get some every night. Cialis sealed the deal on that, and all was good. HUGE difference going from banging every day to not getting any in like a week and a half! I'm seriously eye-fucking every broad I see. Gotta take care of biz'ness.

It is unethical for a doctor to prescribe a gel/lotion if children are present actually. My doctor tried getting me on androgel because he gets a kick back on it. I read up ahead of time and made sure he realized that I had a just-born daughter at the time that I had no desire of causing her puberty because Daddy forgot to wash off his underarms before giving her a hug. "Sooooooo, Walmart pharmacy for your 200mg/ml testosterone cypionate good enough?"

 

[halfwit]

I'm sitting on a script right from my endo but it doesn't cover any of those.
It's just some stupid crap that he wants me to do.
I'll be pursuing private bloods when I feel my recent adjustment settles out.

The blast is something I'm VERY interested in trying out. The waiting game stinks.
Eventually I'll take this whole thing over myself once I'm confident my script will be safe.

Oh man, you have a script for HCG and haven't cashed it in? Isn't it like 50 bucks for a 5000IU vial from the pharmacy cash price? I'd at least try it out! My doctor still thinks me asking for HCG is a cry for getting on the HCG diet. I chose not to fight him on it as I do manage my own testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) now for the most part. I just see him every 6 months or so, let him stick his finger in my butt, and off I go with my script and req for a blood test.

 

[CptFKNplanet]

Good argument, as for taking over injections yourself, argue that your job has you traveling without much notice.

I would hate to actually have to go down to the Dr's every two weeks or whatever to have someone else do it for me. I mean really? What a waste of fucking time.

 

[CptFKNplanet]

Oh man, you have a script for HCG and haven't cashed it in? Isn't it like 50 bucks for a 5000IU vial from the pharmacy cash price? I'd at least try it out! My doctor still thinks me asking for HCG is a cry for getting on the HCG diet. I chose not to fight him on it as I do manage my own testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) now for the most part. I just see him every 6 months or so, let him stick his finger in my butt, and off I go with my script and req for a blood test.

He should let me take over the fingy in the pooper portion

 

[71Avido]

Oh man, you have a script for HCG and haven't cashed it in? Isn't it like 50 bucks for a 5000IU vial from the pharmacy cash price? I'd at least try it out! My doctor still thinks me asking for HCG is a cry for getting on the HCG diet. I chose not to fight him on it as I do manage my own testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) now for the most part. I just see him every 6 months or so, let him stick his finger in my butt, and off I go with my script and req for a blood test.

I should have clarified, it was a script for bloods.
I don't have any use for HCG since I'm missing a large part of that feedback loop.

 

[Rumpy]

I've asked him about it before but haven't really talked to him about it at length. I was in for a quick lab review and brought it up when we were already out of time. His only comment was he could order the test but he highly doubted I was low with the amount of muscle mass I have, but I really don't have that much and have to work like a mother for it. Oh, and the belly fat I thin I'll do a labcorp test and take it in next time I see him. I have metabolics and lipids done every 6 months through him, so long term it would probably be easier if he gets on board and orders the tests for me, even though I think it will cost more.

 

[halfwit]

I would hate to actually have to go down to the Dr's every two weeks or whatever to have someone else do it for me. I mean really? What a waste of fucking time.

They make some serious cash that way. Billing insurance for back-office visits at 100 bucks a pop to have a nurse stab you and kick you out after 5 minutes sounds genius to me.

He should let me take over the fingy in the pooper portion

Only if it's not your finger sweetie pie.

 

[71Avido]

That's one waiting game I could go without

I've been pretty well screwed up for life, what's another couple of months eh?

I would hate to actually have to go down to the Dr's every two weeks or whatever to have someone else do it for me. I mean really? What a waste of fucking time.

It's not a waste of time when that little shot is the thing giving you a reason to get out of bed in the morning.