Do you think one of them is using gear pt. 2

Rumpy said:
I think they have until the end of the year to work out the details. So far nothing has actually changed
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Aren't they going to sell it in the old liquor stores that they had before they joined the rest of the country in having alcohol in grocery stores?
 
CptFKNplanet said:
Does anyone have both 1st and 2nd editions of 5/3/1? If so, which one should I buy?
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I have neither but for what it's worth Starting Strength is on the 3rd edition. While the first is still an amazing read, the 3rd has been updated with things that have changed since Rippetoe wrote the original. It may be worth it to buy both if money isn't really an option. I have the 2nd edition of SS but will be getting the 3rd soon enough. I also have a bootleg PDF copy of practical programming 1st edition but will buy the 2nd edition at the same time. I'd also wait for Avido on Monday since he does 5/3/1 he may know which one is better.
 
DreDay187 said:
I have neither but for what it's worth Starting Strength is on the 3rd edition. While the first is still an amazing read, the 3rd has been updated with things that have changed since Rippetoe wrote the original. It may be worth it to buy both if money isn't really an option. I have the 2nd edition of SS but will be getting the 3rd soon enough. I also have a bootleg PDF copy of practical programming 1st edition but will buy the 2nd edition at the same time. I'd also wait for Avido on Monday since he does 5/3/1 he may know which one is better.
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I was guessing it's just an updated version. Looking at both on Amazon right now, and it looks like the 2nd edition has added in 5/3/1/ for crossfit (go figure) and rest/pause training. I think I might just buy the 2nd edition because it's obviously not going to have any less than the 1st. Planning on doing SS til I can bench ~250, squat ~315, and DL ~405. Then I think using 5/3/1 programming for the mains in with my BB routine will get me back on track. I fell victim to the over information out there and lost sight of actually making progress on my lifts. It became just training the muscles for me. Just these last couple weeks of SS and researching strength based routines has reminded me that progress in strength has to come first. I think most people have lost sight of, or maybe never even knew, the fact that bodybuilding is a stem from strongman/powerlifting. It used to be a back door freak show at strongman comps way back in the day. That being said, I think strength needs to be the basis of any routine, with some sort of structured progression on the main lifts and hypertrophy should only be used secondary. The progression of accessory work also seems that it needs to be different. I was so caught up in doing the full stack on tricep pulldowns I wasn't adding weight to my squat.
 
CptFKNplanet said:
I was guessing it's just an updated version. Looking at both on Amazon right now, and it looks like the 2nd edition has added in 5/3/1/ for crossfit (go figure) and rest/pause training. I think I might just buy the 2nd edition because it's obviously not going to have any less than the 1st. Planning on doing SS til I can bench ~250, squat ~315, and DL ~405. Then I think using 5/3/1 programming for the mains in with my BB routine will get me back on track. I fell victim to the over information out there and lost sight of actually making progress on my lifts. It became just training the muscles for me. Just these last couple weeks of SS and researching strength based routines has reminded me that progress in strength has to come first. I think most people have lost sight of, or maybe never even knew, the fact that bodybuilding is a stem from strongman/powerlifting. It used to be a back door freak show at strongman comps way back in the day. That being said, I think strength needs to be the basis of any routine, with some sort of structured progression on the main lifts and hypertrophy should only be used secondary. The progression of accessory work also seems that it needs to be different. I was so caught up in doing the full stack on tricep pulldowns I wasn't adding weight to my squat.
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Spoken like a true disciple :p. I agree with everything but don't put values as to when you'll stop SS. Keep it until it stops working. Justin Lascek was able to use SS to get to a 450lb 3x5 squat. Another trainee got to a 600lb squat on linear programming and some need to switch much much earlier. Run the program until you advance to intermediate or advanced novice stage. I agree with the rest though, progress isn't about repping the whole stack on tricep pull down and it's not about "obliterating bi's on ar, day, it's adding weight to the bar on the big lifts and using the other lifts as assistance work.

I would guess that the 2nd edition would be more updated and fixes any mistakes in the first but don't know.
 
DreDay187 said:
Spoken like a true disciple :p. I agree with everything but don't put values as to when you'll stop SS. Keep it until it stops working. Justin Lascek was able to use SS to get to a 450lb 3x5 squat. Another trainee got to a 600lb squat on linear programming and some need to switch much much earlier. Run the program until you advance to intermediate or advanced novice stage. I agree with the rest though, progress isn't about repping the whole stack on tricep pull down and it's not about "obliterating bi's on ar, day, it's adding weight to the bar on the big lifts and using the other lifts as assistance work.

I would guess that the 2nd edition would be more updated and fixes any mistakes in the first but don't know.
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I guess I should say I will be satisfied with my progress at that point and ready to start adding accessory work back in. I'll probably start doing regular pullups and MAYBE wide grip chins this week since there's not really any bicep work in the program. Gonna buy 5/3/1 now and start learning as much as I can so I'm prepared when the time comes. I personally don't see myself getting to a 450 squat. That's close to 3x my bodyweight lol. Either way, I've already learned a lot just from changing my mindset. It's hard not focusing on how I look all the time since that's all I've done for 4 years... but it's kinda relieving as well.
 
CptFKNplanet said:
I guess I should say I will be satisfied with my progress at that point and ready to start adding accessory work back in. I'll probably start doing regular pullups and MAYBE wide grip chins this week since there's not really any bicep work in the program. Gonna buy 5/3/1 now and start learning as much as I can so I'm prepared when the time comes. I personally don't see myself getting to a 450 squat. That's close to 3x my bodyweight lol. Either way, I've already learned a lot just from changing my mindset. It's hard not focusing on how I look all the time since that's all I've done for 4 years... but it's kinda relieving as well.
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Don't say you'll never see a 450 squat, that's not that much and iTS totally possible. I was squatting 475 my senior year of high school during the offseason at a body weight of 185. First year of college I got to ~525 at 193lbs but lower BF. it's completely possible and likely if you stick to good programming after SS. 5/3/1 can take you well beyond that. Plus if you're ultimate goal is BB'ing you'll need to get bigger than ~170lbs or whatever you weigh and once you do that it won't be a 3x BW squat anymore :p.

If you want added arm work I'd include chins and pull ups into the program. Do pull ups or chins on the Monday workout and add the other to the Friday workout. Go Bw to failure until you can add weight then add weight to get a 5-7rep failure when you can do 10+ BW. Also if you want more work do 3sets of 8-10 BB curls and lying tricep extensions on the Friday workout after everything else.

I think you're making the right choice and focusing on fundamentals. Time will tell if I'm right or not :)
 
Research needs to slow down a little bit.
Gorillas got sick over the weekend and still continue to be even today.
Almost had to send one to the ER, for gorillas.
 
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