Doing my first cycle since being back

[MaceyMayo]

Hey guys, I'm starting my first cycle on Monday coming.

I've been training on and off for a while now (5-6 yrs ago for about 2 years) but since being back for these last 4 months I've been dieting hard and training harder.

I done a dbol sustanon 250 cycle back when I was training about 3-4 years ago and went great gained a lot of strength and muscle (seeing as I had a shitty diet back then) so quite surprised.

I'm looking at getting back on it now, starting with this cycle

Wk1-4 30mg dbol ed
Wk1-10 500mg test-e ew (split into 250mg mon-thus or just one shot on mon?)
Wk12-16 tamoxifen (nolva) 40/40/20/20

I'll be running milk thistle throughout the dbol.
5-6 meals a day and training 4 times a week around 45-60mins intense workout.

I'm 26
6ft 3"
185lb
14%bf (apparently) :/

Any advice on my cycle will be appreciated

Cheers

Ryan

 

[Megatron28]

You need an AI while on cycle. And I would also recommend using HCG while on cycle.

PCT should be Clomid and Nolva. Not just Nolva.

Use NAC instead of Milk Thistle. It is much better at aiding your liver.

I will say that you could just train Natty for a few more years and make huge gains still. You are pretty skinny for 6'3".

Finally, make sure you do proper blood work. Pre, mid and post cycle.

 

[MaceyMayo]

Can I ask what an ai is? Secondly how will this HCG aid me while on cycle?
Ok I'll get hold of some clomid right away, how should I take it?
I'm from the uk so i don't really know how i should go about blood work pre mid and post?

Thanks for your reply and advice, all taken on board

Ryan

 

[Krav13]

Can I ask what an ai is? Secondly how will this HCG aid me while on cycle?
Ok I'll get hold of some clomid right away, how should I take it?
I'm from the uk so i don't really know how i should go about blood work pre mid and post?

Thanks for your reply and advice, all taken on board

Ryan

Aromatose inhibitors. Developed for breast cancer in women, really to counter the estrogenic side effects, and keeps your body ready to snap back when you finally do you pct.

 

[Krav13]

You need an AI while on cycle. And I would also recommend using HCG while on cycle.

PCT should be Clomid and Nolva. Not just Nolva.

Use NAC instead of Milk Thistle. It is much better at aiding your liver.

I will say that you could just train Natty for a few more years and make huge gains still. You are pretty skinny for 6'3".

Finally, make sure you do proper blood work. Pre, mid and post cycle.

Hey Megatron, what's your take on doubling up your clomid when not using nolvadex with it. Been getting mixed signals on that one

 

[MaceyMayo]

Cheers krav, so something like armidex?

 

[Krav13]

Yep! Arimidex/liquidex.
Check around on dosing, read up on it, it'll make more sense as to what it does.

 

[Megatron28]

Can I ask what an ai is? Secondly how will this HCG aid me while on cycle?
Ok I'll get hold of some clomid right away, how should I take it?
I'm from the uk so i don't really know how i should go about blood work pre mid and post?

Thanks for your reply and advice, all taken on board

Ryan

Macey: sounds like you need to read the sticky threads and do a lot more learning about cycles and the HPTA. A lot of your questions will be answered there.

HCG during cycle helps prevent your testicles from atrophying during shut down. HCG mimics LH.

There are ways to get blood work in the UK. I can't remember where, but I posted it in BigBen's log in the TRT forum.

 

[Megatron28]

Hey Megatron, what's your take on doubling up your clomid when not using nolvadex with it. Been getting mixed signals on that one

I am on TRT. Started TRT before I ever touched AAS. I am not the best one to ask about PCT since I have never run it myself, but everything I have ever read is the Clomid and Nolva work better together for PCT than either one individually. I think Austinite had a good thread on the subject that you could check out.

 

[MaceyMayo]

Done a lot more research on the AI etc, going to be getting some armidex(anastrozole) to run through my cycle.

Read the sticky thoroughly megaton but juiced's examples doesn't show pct consisting of nolva and clomid. Just clomid or nolva

Ryan

 

[Megatron28]

Read this one:

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...a-both-required-better-chance-recovery-2.html

 

[MaceyMayo]

Hi again guys, listened to megaton and a few others and don a lot more research.

So I've now got some armidex and clomid, going to be starting my cycle this coming Monday.

Wk1-4 30mg dbol ed
Wk1-10 500mg test-e ew (split into 250mg mon-thus or just one shot on mon?)
Wk12-16 tamoxifen (nolva) 40/40/20/20

Can I get a little advice on how much and when to take the clomid?

I'm going to be taking the armidex starting Monday, and e3d half a tablet till pct starts.

Any advice appreciated, as happy to postpone longer if needs be

Ryan

 

[MaceyMayo]

Hi guys, so started my cycle on Monday 30/06/14 done my second jab today.

Few queries. getting headaches every now and then, also feeling abit sick after meals. But I am cramming it in to make my macros! Are these side effects of any of the drugs I'm taking or isit just me in generAl lol

Other than that the course is going great so far

Thanks ryan

 

[SHIFTY]

It's the Dbol causing the headaches

 

[MaceyMayo]

Cheers for the reply shifty, also just woke up this morning. Only a week into my cycle now and just underneath my right nipple it's very sore to touch? Is this the start of dreaded gyro and should I take action?

Ryan

 

[MaceyMayo]

Hey guys, cycles not going to good atm. Thinking of dropping the cycle.

Since I wrote up about my nipple being sore i have dropped the dbol and started nolva at 40mg ed until it eases off then going to 20mg ed for a week or so.

But last night i about 2-3hrs after I pinned i had felt very spaced out and worried/scared :/ so had my shake and hit the sack, about 12-1am i woke up in a hot sweat and had as all i can describe a severe anxiety attack! I was fearing for my life over nothing, I felt as though i was doomed and live wasn't worth living (bearing in mind I've never felt like this in my life)

Anyways after about 30-45mins it seemed to die down and I went back to bed. Woke this morning feeling ok, but exhausted. Got to work and felt like going back to bed, struggling to keep my eyes open.

So I'm feeling back to normal atm other than worrying this is going to happen again.

I'm thinking of dropping the cycle as i scared me that much.

Any answers on why this has happened and how i can prevent it would be much appreciated

Ryan

 

[kevlarcash2]

Damn man never had that effect on me but everyone is different. I have have bad bad night sweats to where all under me was nothing but wet sweat. My wife was like wtf is wrong with you lmao

 

[SHIFTY]

Nigth sweats I would not worry about that is normal on cycle.

Alright are you using Adex ED? It sounds like sides from high E it's not the end of the world you can fix that by getting you E in check. As far as being spacey and having a panic attack that sounds stress induced.

 

[MaceyMayo]

Cheers for replying guys.

I'm taking armidex e3d half a tab. I feel fine now btw, i dont wanna drop the cycle as I'm looking forward to the gains and been training hard and eating well.

What do you mean by high E shifty? Test-e?

As I'm thinking on pinning 200mg tomorrow instead of 250mg.

Yes kev it was fucking horrible, on top of the world today though lol I've read of people on gear getting anxiety attacks. Not that it's made me feel any better! You think i came over all funny and had the attack cause i got some in a blood vessel?

Nipples also feeling a lot better now taking the nolva, think I should up my armidex?

Thanks guys

Ryan

 

[MaceyMayo]

Hey guys, i injected 200mg at about 6pm tonight, hit the gym hard and been back about 1hr. Feeling fine atm.

Last time i injected it was around this time i started feeling total shit and having that anxiety attack, I am abit worried it could happen again but keeping myself charm. Do you think i got some of the gear into a vesel last time and thats why I felt shit and had that attack? As there was abit of blood last time and I did move to look the bathroom door as my son tried opening it? If I can put it down to this then I will go back upto 250mg x2.

will being on 400mg a week still give me any decent results?

Ryan