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Strider7

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Here's what I'm planning for my next cycle. I'm posting this on several different boards looking for feedback. Thanks.

Stats

5'6" 205lbs. 14%BF

History

Been training for years, but the last year has been pretty consistent except for when I'm beat from work. I get an awesome full body workout from work, but no isolation. Often I'm too beat to hit the weights after a 14 hour day in the sun pouring concrete. Last cycle was deca, tren A, test prop, oral Winstrol (winny), clen, and t3. It was a shorter cycle and like I said work kept me from training properly. I'm waiting for work to end for a few months before I start this next cycle.

Cycle

wks 1&2 800mg Equipoise
wks 3-12 500mg Equipoise
wks 5-12 400mg Testosterone Enanthanate
wks 5-12 400mg Trenbolone Enanthanate
wks 8-15 50mg ED Winstrol Depot

wks 5-15 0.5mg E4D Dostinex/Cabergoline
10 days at end 20mg Nolvadex and 500iu Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) ED

PCT-start 5 days after end of cycle

day1 300mg Clomid, 20mg Nolvadex
day2-12 100mg Clomid ED, 20mg Nolvadex ED
day 13-22 50mg Clomid ED, 20mg Nolvadex ED

May use some Clenbuterol and Liothyronine Sodium(t3) at some point during cycle or PCT.

Also wondering what a good protocol for using IGF-1 LR3 and PEGylated MGF
during/before/after this cycle would be. I will have 1 vial of IGF and 3 vials of MGF, but I can order more if I need it. Each vial is 1mg. I've never used these before so I need advice.
 
I think it's stupid. no offense. Why start the test later? Tren + Winstrol (winny) is over kill if you are just lifting recreationally. All you need is Test and EQ (no need to front load the EQ either).

here's how you should do it
1-15 test enan 500mg/wk
1-14 eq 600mg/wk

train and diet properly as you know, you'll acheive the results you want.
 
thats a lot of gear for a guy your weight and bodyfat . you should get by with much less . skarheads cycle is simpler and effective . dont forget post cycle therapy (pct) .
 
Oops I forgot to include the Anastrazole that will be used together with the Nolvadex @ 0.5mg ED.

Here's the revised plan so far based on feedback from six or seven different boards I am a member of:

wk1&2 Test E 700mgs
wk1&2 EQ 750mgs
wk3-14 Test E 500mgs
wk3-13 EQ 500mgs
wk7-14 Tren E 400mg
wk11-16 Winstrol (winny) 50mg ed
wk17-19 clenbuterol (ramp up, then sustain)

Forget about the t3

Anyone got a good protocol for using the IGF-1 LR3 and the PEGylated MGF?
 
Here's the latest version based on all the feedback I've gotten on different sites. Also I've taken out the long ester test and tren because I'm scared of retaining too much water.

wks 1&2 750mg Equipoise
wks 1-14 700mg Testosterone Propionate (100mg ED)
wks 3-13 500mg Equipoise
wks 7-14 350mg Trenbolone Acetate (50mg ED)
wks 11-16 50mg ED Winstrol Depot
wks 17-19 Clenbuterol (ramped up then sustained)

wks 7-14 0.5mg E4D Dostinex/Cabergoline
10 days at end 20mg Nolvadex, 0.5mg Anastrazole, and 500iu Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) ED


PCT-start 5 days after end of cycle

day1 300mg Clomid, 20mg Nolvadex, 0.5mg Anastrazole
day2-12 100mg Clomid ED, 20mg Nolvadex ED, 0.5mg Anastrazole ED
day 13-22 50mg Clomid ED, 20mg Nolvadex ED, 0.5mg Anastrazole ED

Then I'm thinking of using one of these two regimens for the IGF-1 LR3 and PEGylated MGF during PCT, starting the day of last Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and Winstrol (winny) shot, and ending four weeks later.

Once a week PEG MGF/ IGF
Sunday 100-300 mcg MGF you can choose to site inject if you wish. I think splitting large doses may benefit.
Monday –Fri IGF 50mcg e/d

Twice a week PEG MGF / IGF
Sunday and Wed MGF 50-150 mcg
MT, ThF IGF 50 mcg

I also may do a four week cycle either right before or during the cycle. What do you guys think?
 
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4 wks is probably just a waste... Also you really do not need the tren and the winstrol together. Im telling you they are both harsh compounds and are unnneeded for a rec lifter.
 
Strider7 said:
Here's the latest version based on all the feedback I've gotten on different sites. Also I've taken out the long ester test and tren because I'm scared of retaining too much water.

wks 1&2 750mg Equipoise
wks 1&14 700mg Testosterone Propionate (100mg ED)
wks 3-13 500mg Equipoise
wks 7-14 350mg Trenbolone Acetate (50mg ED)
wks 11-16 50mg ED Winstrol Depot
wks 17-19 Clenbuterol (ramped up then sustained)

wks 7-14 0.5mg E4D Dostinex/Cabergoline
10 days at end 20mg Nolvadex, 0.5mg Anastrazole, and 500iu Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) ED


PCT-start 5 days after end of cycle

day1 300mg Clomid, 20mg Nolvadex, 0.5mg Anastrazole
day2-12 100mg Clomid ED, 20mg Nolvadex ED, 0.5mg Anastrazole ED
day 13-22 50mg Clomid ED, 20mg Nolvadex ED, 0.5mg Anastrazole ED

Then I'm thinking of using one of these two regimens for the IGF-1 LR3 and PEGylated MGF during PCT, starting the day of last Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and Winstrol (winny) shot, and ending four weeks later.

Once a week PEG MGF/ IGF
Sunday 100-300 mcg MGF you can choose to site inject if you wish. I think splitting large doses may benefit.
Monday *Fri IGF 50mcg e/d

Twice a week PEG MGF / IGF
Sunday and Wed MGF 50-150 mcg
MT, ThF IGF 50 mcg

I also may do a four week cycle either right before or during the cycle. What do you guys think?
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Who recommended that you drop the long ester testosterone in favor of a little test prop at the beginning and end?

Don't make things too complicated. Go with something like:

Week 1-14:
x mg of testosterone enanthate
x mg of deca or tren E (if using the deca, end it at week 13)

PCT starts 14 days after the last injection.
 
If you just did a plain cycle of test and tren, you wouldn't notice the loss of the Winstrol (winny) and eq. Everything Winstrol (winny) and eq does, tren does better and with less sides (for me, not everyone). The tren will also help cut some fat off -- yes, you heard me correctly, some steroids are capable of burning fat. That being said, I would just run test at 500mg/wk and tren at 350-500mg/wk for as long as you want. Simple is usually better. Like everyone else said above, taking four compounds in a cycle is ridiculous, especially for someone like yourself. It's complete overkill and a waste of money. But after looking at your revisions I can already tell you are going to ignore this advice and that I just typed all this for no reason.
 
Well I'm sorry to say that you are probably right and I will be sticking with something similar to this in the end. Truth is I want to run the Winstrol (winny) at the end followed by the clen to stay lean. I already have some EQ that a friend gave me so I'll be using that for sure. I want to run tren again because it's awesome and I'm pretty cool with the sides (mostly nightsweats), and I need to put some test in to make sure my dick keeps on keeping on. Also I won the contest by IBE over on anabolicboard, and I've got 3mg of PEGylated MGF, 1mg of IGF-1 LR3, and a bottle each of Tamoxifen, clenbuterol, and Liothyronine Sodium(t3). All of this stuff was free. Obviously I want to throw together something pretty amazing with all of these freebies. I hope you all can understand and not judge. Thanks.
 
Strider7 said:
Well I'm sorry to say that you are probably right and I will be sticking with something similar to this in the end. Truth is I want to run the Winstrol (winny) at the end followed by the clen to stay lean. I already have some EQ that a friend gave me so I'll be using that for sure. I want to run tren again because it's awesome and I'm pretty cool with the sides (mostly nightsweats), and I need to put some test in to make sure my dick keeps on keeping on. Also I won the contest by IBE over on anabolicboard, and I've got 3mg of PEGylated MGF, 1mg of IGF-1 LR3, and a bottle each of Tamoxifen, clenbuterol, and Liothyronine Sodium(t3). All of this stuff was free. Obviously I want to throw together something pretty amazing with all of these freebies. I hope you all can understand and not judge. Thanks.
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Winny won't burn fat or help keep you lean. Like I said above, everything Winstrol (winny) does, tren does it better. If you are going to be on tren it would be completely retarded to run Winstrol (winny) with it. You are just wasting money. If you want something that can help burn fat, look at tren and anavar. Studies do show a correlation between fat loss and these compounds. The same cannot be said for Winstrol (winny). Winstrol (winny) only cuts you up if you are already low bodyfat, which you are not. Test and tren for 12 weeks or more is a cycle that I and everyone around me have always been extremely happy with. Save that Winstrol (winny) for spring break when you can sell it to one of your frat brothers to get "cut up" at an extremely inflated price. Take money and buy hookers, booze, and drugs. Everyone wins. Except for the jackass who thought Winstrol (winny) was going to fix his sloppy appearance.
 
So you want "to run the Winstrol (winny) at the end ... to stay lean." I see.

Look, I'll tell you a little secret. WINNY WILL NOT MAKE YOU CUT

Just do test E and tren.
 
mranak said:
So you want "to run the Winstrol (winny) at the end ... to stay lean." I see.

Look, I'll tell you a little secret. WINNY WILL NOT MAKE YOU CUT

Just do test E and tren.
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Waste of time. Some people ask for advice with no intention of listening to it. They have such poor self-confidence that they are actually just looking for reassurance and justification for their actions. So upon further review I must say, Strider7, that your cycle looks awesome and you are going to be thrilled with the results . . . of your lipid profile.
 
STrdier ifyou knew exactly what you were gonna do why the FUCK did you ask for advice?

The following drugs you do NOT need

tren, winstrol (ESP together) , clen t3....

What you need to realize all you need is some test/eq and you WILL reach your goals if you diet and train properly... Not only that you will save a TON of money on gear. you are 205 at 14%, , you do not need all these drugs..> DIET and TRAIN right , take a little bit of gear. make slow and steady gains you'll be much safter and BETTER OFF...
 
skarhead1 said:
STrdier ifyou knew exactly what you were gonna do why the FUCK did you ask for advice?

The following drugs you do NOT need

tren, winstrol (ESP together) , clen t3....

What you need to realize all you need is some test/eq and you WILL reach your goals if you diet and train properly... Not only that you will save a TON of money on gear. you are 205 at 14%, , you do not need all these drugs..> DIET and TRAIN right , take a little bit of gear. make slow and steady gains you'll be much safter and BETTER OFF...
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Why no tren? From the experiences I've had myself as well as all my user buddies, the sides are greatly overblown. In fact the sides were measured to be much less than other common drugs by one user buddy who is a physician. People just need to realize that much of these so called sides are dose dependent. If tren is killing your bp and making you sweat like crazy at night, then you should probably lower the dose. Once you get a correct dose for yourself, I've found tren to be unbeatable for strength and hardness, and in terms of side effects. Definitely recommend it for someone who has done a cycle or two already. Of all the types of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) that our group has used, we've found tren to be the only one that allows a person to gain muscle and burn fat at the same time. Anavar as well to a smaller extent.
 
Most people lack the discipline to dieet its just hard to keep calories lower than usual, But still Clen,T3, IGF and anabolics can definately help you loose fat.
 
Wow, I must say my experience with most bodybuilding forums has been pretty respectful throughout. My fiance checked out this one site, mostly for women, called oxygenmag.net and they were all aggressive and catty and certain their way was right and everyone else was stupid. Made me laugh at them. Now I see that this board, out of the seven that I am a member of, is actually very similar. See on the other six boards people lent advice and criticism with the objective of helping to build me the best cycle that they could while being respectful towards me and each other. Here I see two guys with tons of posts each, yet none of the respect that you would think they would have towards others in their community. Honestly check out the exact same titled thread on any of these sites:

ibeforums
anabolicboard
hypemuscle
outlawmuscle
offshorebodybuilding
steroidsuperboard

No one else in any of these communities behaved this way.

I even tried to ignore some of your negativity.

Honestly bros, you should expect more of yourselves.

Thank you.
 
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