* DURATESTON 325 ( first cycle ) ------PCT questions

[shredderz]

About me :
- 35 years old
- 17 years of training
- 5'8'' 175lbs
- around 10-12 % bodyfat
- First cycle ( test only) using Durateston 325 from NovaPharma Inc ( probably UL) * pics attached
Each Ml contains:
+ test Enanthate 120mg
+ test Propionate 30 mg
+ test Acetate 30mg
+ test Decanoate 100mg
+ test Isocaproate 45 mg

- Nolvadex 20mg for PCT


Hi guys ,
I'm currently on my 5th week of DURATESTON 325 wich is a 5 esthers Test blend.
I do 0.5 CC on Mondays and 0.5 CC on fridays for a total of 325mg a week.
I plan on doing a total cycle of 10 to 12 weeks depending on how it goes.

So far everything is going well ,I've gained 7-8lbs (mostly muscle, not much fat and bloating )
I have a lot of energy, increase in libido and aggressiveness, sick pump from training but minimal strenght gains so far
Side effect are minimal too , skin is a bit more oily , some little acne mostly on upper body and sensible nipple tip but not puffy

My question is concerning PCT , when should I start NOLVADEX after my last injections? How much milligram per weeks?
Also, I was wondering if it would be a good idea to slightly increase the dosage from 325 to 400 mg per week for the last 5-7 weeks?

Thank you very much

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[tbonexl]

Are you using an ai?
Did you get any bloodwork?
Did you read any of the beginner cycle stickys?

 

[shredderz]

- I'm not using any Aromatase inhibitor . because I take small doses (325mg/week ) and I'm lean ( under 12% bodyfat with visible abs ) . But I take Zinc, curcumin, DIM , 3 indole carbinol and Garlic supplement everydays wich all have anti aromatase proprieties. I also eat brocolie everyday. So far I don't any symtom of high estrogen
- Yes I did a get a complete bloodwork about 4 months ago and everything was fine ( was at the end of a cutting period )
- Yes I read pretty much all the beginner cycle stickys

 

[Mr P]

I used to be a fan of pharma duratest 200 mg in an ampule, but 325 mg 10 ml is way to much for a compound mix not saying it's a bunk, but anything over 250mg on a vial it sounds to good to be true, not saying your not getting some effect but maybe your getting some test per mg mix at a lower range in your vial, way to much test combo in a mix for a vial, just saying

 

[tbonexl]

- I'm not using any Aromatase inhibitor . because I take small doses (325mg/week ) and I'm lean ( under 12% bodyfat with visible abs ) . But I take Zinc, curcumin, DIM , 3 indole carbinol and Garlic supplement everydays wich all have anti aromatase proprieties. I also eat brocolie everyday. So far I don't any symtom of high estrogen
- Yes I did a get a complete bloodwork about 4 months ago and everything was fine ( was at the end of a cutting period )
- Yes I read pretty much all the beginner cycle stickys

I posted something similar in another thread. If your using legit gear, not otc supplements then why do you think otc supps will work for an ai? They won't bud...

 

[shredderz]

I know OTC supplement cannot be as effective as A.I
I just feel that since I'm lean enough and I use very low does , a A.I is not a necesity for me.
I have nolvaldex in hand just in case

 

[oldmusclemike]

-Hi and welcome

But not to be rude or bust your bubble i gotta set you straight. So you are using Test at low dose and that's fine. Test does aromatize greatly and most of the weight gain after 5 - weeks is mostly water. Man you can gain several pounds of water and not notice much. I will not go far into this right now but a man can only gain 15-20 pounds of Lean Muscle Mass ( LMM) in one year ... 12-14 months. So how many cycles in one year... 3 at most. Now divide and ergo the 4-5-6- lbs per cyle.

A good 12 - 14 - 16 week cycle if all goes good then a leaned out gain of LMM.... LMM will be 4-5-6 pounds max. That's as far as I will get into it now. But what i said is a FACT just ask and or follow a BB competitor and or a Pro- Olympian, Who gains only 3-4 pounds a year depending on how many years he's put into it. It has many variables>

So just so you know just what you're gains are made of and not to be fooled by yourself. If you understand the way muscle repairs itself and how it grows you will understand that you CANNOT build much muscle in 5 weeks. If you were to diet down you would see what I mean. It is genetics mostly that lets these guys get just mammoth in size. Not everyone gains or grows at the same rate. Just because we take steroids doesn't mean we can Grow /Build new muscle mass at a totally insane rate. Think about it there is water and Glycogen in the fluids as well as some unwanted toxins like filling with lactic acid.... Any Lean muscle mass will have fluids but not subcutaneous bloating.

Good Luck, I just wanted to explain...

OMM

 

[shredderz]

-Hi and welcome

But not to be rude or bust your bubble i gotta set you straight. So you are using Test at low dose and that's fine. Test does aromatize greatly and most of the weight gain after 5 - weeks is mostly water. Man you can gain several pounds of water and not notice much. I will not go far into this right now but a man can only gain 15-20 pounds of Lean Muscle Mass ( LMM) in one year ... 12-14 months. So how many cycles in one year... 3 at most. Now divide and ergo the 4-5-6- lbs per cyle.

A good 12 - 14 - 16 week cycle if all goes good then a leaned out gain of LMM.... LMM will be 4-5-6 pounds max. That's as far as I will get into it now. But what i said is a FACT just ask and or follow a BB competitor and or a Pro- Olympian, Who gains only 3-4 pounds a year depending on how many years he's put into it. It has many variables>

So just so you know just what you're gains are made of and not to be fooled by yourself. If you understand the way muscle repairs itself and how it grows you will understand that you CANNOT build much muscle in 5 weeks. If you were to diet down you would see what I mean. It is genetics mostly that lets these guys get just mammoth in size. Not everyone gains or grows at the same rate. Just because we take steroids doesn't mean we can Grow /Build new muscle mass at a totally insane rate. Think about it there is water and Glycogen in the fluids as well as some unwanted toxins like filling with lactic acid.... Any Lean muscle mass will have fluids but not subcutaneous bloating.

Good Luck, I just wanted to explain...

OMM

Yes Mike I understand . You're right
I have reallstic expeectation
and I will be more than happy to keep a good 3-4lbs of lean muscle mass from that cycle

 

[tbonexl]

I know OTC supplement cannot be as effective as A.I
I just feel that since I'm lean enough and I use very low does , a A.I is not a necesity for me.
I have nolvaldex in hand just in case

How you feel and what bloodwork shows are two different things.

 

[Mycelium]

All the things you mentioned do play into estrogen but your dose is still outside normal ranges. 200mg wk test cyp with 1mg wk anastrazole and I was still above normal ranges of total estrogen.

Nolvadex doesn't stop estrogen. It simply masks the symptoms. If it's being used to treat high estrogen sides on cycle it's like using a pain killer. The problem is still there. High estrogen. Which effects your Brain, bones, and even emotional outlook.

How you feel and what bloodwork shows are two different things.

I had nipple soreness that was LESS intense on TRT yet my actual estrogen level was HIGHER. The labs don't lie!!!!

 

[shredderz]

Thanks everyone for your insights

Any recommendations for my PCT (considerin I use a test blend with diffrent half life esther ) ?
When would you start Novalvex after the last injection ? My guess is anywhere between 10 to 21 days
Dosage?

Thanks

 

[Milton]

Thanks everyone for your insights

Any recommendations for my PCT (considerin I use a test blend with diffrent half life esther ) ?
When would you start Novalvex after the last injection ? My guess is anywhere between 10 to 21 days
Dosage?

Thanks

you started another thread with this question. Please keep it all here, so we all can see the entire case history.
good luck.

 

[tbonexl]

Thanks everyone for your insights

Any recommendations for my PCT (considerin I use a test blend with diffrent half life esther ) ?
When would you start Novalvex after the last injection ? My guess is anywhere between 10 to 21 days
Dosage?

Thanks

Probably looking at around 28 days if not more till pct bud.
You really put the cart in front of the horse. This is your first cycle and your really going at it all wrong. You are using a blend which anyone who knows anything doesn't even mess with blends. Too many esters puts your test levels all over the place which makes controlling estrogen difficult.
You seem to think you can control estrogen with broccoli and low body fat which again is not good and laughable.
You have no idea about pct. This is horrible.

You need to look over the beginner cycle stickys. Read them and understand them so you can clearly see where you are screwing up big time!

 

[shredderz]

Probably looking at around 28 days if not more till pct bud.
You really put the cart in front of the horse. This is your first cycle and your really going at it all wrong. You are using a blend which anyone who knows anything doesn't even mess with blends. Too many esters puts your test levels all over the place which makes controlling estrogen difficult.
You seem to think you can control estrogen with broccoli and low body fat which again is not good and laughable.
You have no idea about pct. This is horrible.

You need to look over the beginner cycle stickys. Read them and understand them so you can clearly see where you are screwing up big time!

Thanks for the answer but you got it all wrong bud

- I did read most of the stickys an understand them.
- I agree a Blend is not the best choice for a first cycle but still ok
- I never said that I can control estrogen, I just said that since i'm low bodyfat and I'm using such a low dose , aromatization should not be a problem and I said that to be safe I also take supplement with minor estrogen lowering and anti aromatase propreties.
- I do understand that everybody is different and on low dose A.I is not absolutly necessary for everybody.
- I do have an Idea about PCT I was just wondering what would people here suggest for a blend

But thanks for your insights bud. I appreciate

 

[oldmusclemike]

Probably looking at around 28 days if not more till pct bud.
You really put the cart in front of the horse. This is your first cycle and your really going at it all wrong. You are using a blend which anyone who knows anything doesn't even mess with blends. Too many esters puts your test levels all over the place which makes controlling estrogen difficult.
You seem to think you can control estrogen with broccoli and low body fat which again is not good and laughable.
You have no idea about pct. This is horrible.

You need to look over the beginner cycle stickys. Read them and understand them so you can clearly see where you are screwing up big time!

OP ya see most everyone here is saying similar things. Tbone summed it up and so please read up more. I myself do not use blends. I take the compounds and schedule injections per what the ester dictates. Then i know what's going on and know what to expect.

Keep us posted..... and Good Luck

OMM

 

[shredderz]

you started another thread with this question. Please keep it all here, so we all can see the entire case history.
good luck.

Sorry for the new thread Milton .. I thought I posted this thread in the wrong forum section. My mistake

 

[shredderz]

OP ya see most everyone here is saying similar things. Tbone summed it up and so please read up more. I myself do not use blends. I take the compounds and schedule injections per what the ester dictates. Then i know what's going on and know what to expect.

Keep us posted..... and Good Luck

OMM

Thanks Mike
I know a blend is not the best choice for a first cycle but thats the only test I could find
A lot of people have used a blend for a first cycle and had good result with no or minimal side effect

 

[shredderz]

I'm on my 6th week and so far I fell really good, my joint feel great, libido ,energy strength and endurance have increase and I have no high estrogen symptoms

Do you guys recommend I stop my cycle right away ?

 

[tbonexl]

Most of the esters in your blend haven't fully kicked in yet.

 

[shredderz]

Most of the esters in your blend haven't fully kicked in yet.

What would you suggest I do then ?

About A.I : All the golden era bodybuilder never use them. How did they avoid/dealt with high estrogen issues?
I notice that most of them didn't have any signs of gynecomastia (Except maybe Franco Columbu)
Whats you thought about that ?