Epistane 6 week cycle

[Unforgiven]

Hey everyone,
First time posting, but have been a fan of this site for sometime now.

I havent tried a PH in about a year and a half and wanted to see if I could get some better results than my previous times. I've tried H-drol and MegaPlexx and seen very little results from it. This time I plan on mixing my cycle up and add some other things in it. So Im just curious to know how my cycle looks and if I should add or get rid of anything. Some spots I went a little cheap on cause this program is already costing me over 2 bills.

Pre-Cycle:
Week 1: Hawthorne Berries 4 capsules + Milk Thistle 3 capsules + Fish Oil + Potasssium
Week 2: Hawthorne Berries 4 capsules + Milk Thistle 3 capsules + Fish Oil + Potasssium

Cycle of Epi
Week 1: 20 mg/day (start at 10mg first 2 days)
Week 2: 30 mg/day
Week 4: 40 mg/day
Week 5: 40 mg/day
Week 6: 50 mg/day

+ Cycle Assist - 8 capsules daily
+ Fish oil daily
+ Potassium daily

PCT
Week 1: 40 mg/day Novadex + 4 capsules Activate Xtreme(2 twice daily) + Toco 8 + Zinc + Magnesium + Fish oil
Week 2: 40 mg/day Novadex + 4 capsules Activate Xtreme(2 twice daily) + Toco 8 + Zinc + Magnesium + Fish oil
Week 3: 20 mg/day Novadex + 4 capsules Activate Xtreme(2 twice daily) + Toco 8 + Zinc + Magnesium + Fish oil
Week 4: 20 mg/day Novadex + 4 capsules Activate Xtreme(2 twice daily) + Toco 8 +Zinc + Magnesium + Fish oil

The thing im unsure of most is the Novadex, this will be my first time using a serm and didnt know how high to dose it, ive seen others dose it lower and higher than this. As well I am debating at throwing in creatine, I never use creatine but I want to keep my gains and cutness. If I do use creatine could i taper off in weeks to avoid using it for a long period of time?

Im looking not moreless to get huge off this, just lean out and cut some weight while maybe adding a little muscle.

Any advice would be great!

Pricing total for this was about $230 all said and done.

 

[mlupi319]

Hey everyone,
First time posting, but have been a fan of this site for sometime now.

I havent tried a PH in about a year and a half and wanted to see if I could get some better results than my previous times. I've tried H-drol and MegaPlexx and seen very little results from it. This time I plan on mixing my cycle up and add some other things in it. So Im just curious to know how my cycle looks and if I should add or get rid of anything. Some spots I went a little cheap on cause this program is already costing me over 2 bills.

Pre-Cycle:
Week 1: Hawthorne Berries 4 capsules + Milk Thistle 3 capsules + Fish Oil + Potasssium
Week 2: Hawthorne Berries 4 capsules + Milk Thistle 3 capsules + Fish Oil + Potasssium

Cycle of Epi
Week 1: 20 mg/day (start at 10mg first 2 days)
Week 2: 30 mg/day
Week 4: 40 mg/day
Week 5: 40 mg/day
Week 6: 50 mg/day

+ Cycle Assist - 8 capsules daily
+ Fish oil daily
+ Potassium daily

PCT
Week 1: 40 mg/day Novadex + 4 capsules Activate Xtreme(2 twice daily) + Toco 8 + Zinc + Magnesium + Fish oil
Week 2: 40 mg/day Novadex + 4 capsules Activate Xtreme(2 twice daily) + Toco 8 + Zinc + Magnesium + Fish oil
Week 3: 20 mg/day Novadex + 4 capsules Activate Xtreme(2 twice daily) + Toco 8 + Zinc + Magnesium + Fish oil
Week 4: 20 mg/day Novadex + 4 capsules Activate Xtreme(2 twice daily) + Toco 8 +Zinc + Magnesium + Fish oil

The thing im unsure of most is the Novadex, this will be my first time using a serm and didnt know how high to dose it, ive seen others dose it lower and higher than this. As well I am debating at throwing in creatine, I never use creatine but I want to keep my gains and cutness. If I do use creatine could i taper off in weeks to avoid using it for a long period of time?

Im looking not moreless to get huge off this, just lean out and cut some weight while maybe adding a little muscle.

Any advice would be great!

Pricing total for this was about $230 all said and done.

$230?!? that's pricey I'm guessing that mostly came from the Activate X, Taco8, and Epistane? I would've scrapped the Taco8, replace Activate X w/ bulk DAA powder, and ran Epi-10 by LGI...prolly would've saved $50+

Anyways..cycle looks good except start at 30mg/day right from the get go. 30 is still low...starting at 10-20 is a waste as you will just be shutting yourself down and taxing your liver all to reach an anabolic level that probably won't be much higher than your natty test

 

[Unforgiven]

Thanks mlupi319!

Ya it was expensive buying all this, but you don't go cheap to ensure your body stays normal. The epi-$60, Xtreme-$35, Nolva-$50, Toco 8-$25. I seen that LGI did have a cheaper virsion, but found that epistane was basically epistrong(until discontinued) and thats what I was looking for with all the hype on epi. I recommend taking some kind of DHL to block hair loss that PH's are known for doing. I just like my hair to much not to spend $25 to keep it.

So no build up of 10mg daily? Straight at 30mg on day 1?

What about Nolvadex, anyone experienced enough to know how much to use? Obviously this supplement is used for my pet hampster, wanted to make sure he's getting lean like me.
-Lastly is the creatine, like i said some people live on it, im not into it, but if it helps keep my gains im willing to do it for a while, suggestions on a good creatine? Also can i dump using it without losing results after awhile?

 

[mlupi319]

Thanks mlupi319!

Ya it was expensive buying all this, but you don't go cheap to ensure your body stays normal. The epi-$60, Xtreme-$35, Nolva-$50, Toco 8-$25. I seen that LGI did have a cheaper virsion, but found that epistane was basically epistrong(until discontinued) and thats what I was looking for with all the hype on epi. I recommend taking some kind of DHL to block hair loss that PH's are known for doing. I just like my hair to much not to spend $25 to keep it.

So no build up of 10mg daily? Straight at 30mg on day 1?

What about Nolvadex, anyone experienced enough to know how much to use? Obviously this supplement is used for my pet hampster, wanted to make sure he's getting lean like me.
-Lastly is the creatine, like i said some people live on it, im not into it, but if it helps keep my gains im willing to do it for a while, suggestions on a good creatine? Also can i dump using it without losing results after awhile?

You know you are running an oral only cycle that will shutdown your natural testosterone production causing a loss in libido and lethargy? not really what I would call ensuring your body stays normal, you be better off injecting actual testosterone for that...And you lost me on the taking DHL to block hair loss? Did you mean DHT?

Also I would choose LGI over any other PH company not to mention DAA is the most proven test booster and is much cheaper for a longer supply compared to extreme...

But back to your question you probably won't need to run nolva @40mg for 2 full weeks but better safe than sorry. As for creatine, it will help you keep gains during pct but when you stop use you will lose some of your strength and probably a little size...my pre-workout has creatine in it so I'm always on it...it really only has positive benefits and to run it long term is very cheap and will have a better effect than the activate extreme IMO...speaking of the activate extreme I would save it for after PCT (or overlap the last week on nolva) The nolva should already have your test above normal mid way through pct and the Activ-X will have minimal affect...wait till your done with pct and start AX and creatine (if you're willing to stay on it long term)

 

[Unforgiven]

Normal as in my body not being going into shock and being messed up forever. Yes sorry DHT, I know its rare for hairloss, but it does happen in some cases with people. Maybe I will try LGI next, providing the cycle will not cost as much as this one... xtreme is what a buddy of mine takes and hes had awesome results with it, so just figured id give it a try, I do realize its a little spendy, but if it works who cares. If the DAA is much stronger maybe ill just run a cycle w/creatine of that some time and see how it works to compare the two.

Thanks for the advice, I think ill wait on the xtreme and overlap w/ nolva on week 4 of post cycle therapy (pct). As well ill start with creatine in my post cycle therapy (pct) too and just continue to use it (providing it gives me decent gains or keeps my gains.)

Should i run any thing to assist with xtreme&creatine for support? Probably continue through out the entire process with milk thistle, Hawthorne berries and fish oil.

***What creatines would you recommend?*** That are at a good price for continuous use..

 

[BeastinTheEast]

Looks like a great cycle layout, very similar to my own epi cycle i did a while back. You can run creatine on cycle as well to improve gains, some bulk monohydrate will suffice. NTBM sells PowerChews Creatine and Ancient strength which is a blend!

The milk thistle/hawthorne berry/fish oil could be ran through the entire cycle for overall health as well.

DAA is cheap too for 100 grams (3.5 months worth!!)

 

[mlupi319]

My DAA powder is from anabolic innovations, dirt cheap. As for creatine I would recommend Optimum Nutrition micronized creatine monohydrate (or something similar) also dirt cheap.

3grams/day DAA
5grams/day creatine

 

[MeatHead96]

Looks like a great cycle layout, very similar to my own epi cycle i did a while back. You can run creatine on cycle as well to improve gains, some bulk monohydrate will suffice. NTBM sells PowerChews Creatine and Ancient strength which is a blend!

The milk thistle/hawthorne berry/fish oil could be ran through the entire cycle for overall health as well.

DAA is cheap too for 100 grams (3.5 months worth!!)

Good call on the creatine, Ancient Strength is a good product. I may be running an epi cycle soon as well, with test of course.

 

[TheDarkHalf]

Your dosing is way too low in my opinion. Just start at 40 and work your way up. Anything less than 40mg is a waste of time

 

[Unforgiven]

So if i start at 40mg should i do 1 or 2 weeks at 50mg? Im gonna keep 50mg at my peak for dosage.

Anyone tried kre alkalyn, buddy of mine said its more for leanness and doesnt give the bloat like most creatine.

 

[mlupi319]

So if i start at 40mg should i do 1 or 2 weeks at 50mg? Im gonna keep 50mg at my peak for dosage.

Anyone tried kre alkalyn, buddy of mine said its more for leanness and doesnt give the bloat like most creatine.

Anything less than 40 is not a waste of time. I increased my strength significantly while cutting on an Epi cycle @30mg/day for 30days...maybe for him it was a waste but guess what he's not you, you're not him, i'm not you...see where I'm going here???

There is no harm in starting @30mg and is a smart move IMO...I read an article on the original japanese product that Epi is based on and it states that doses of 150-300/week produce increases in lean body mass-> take it for what it's worth I read the article awhile ago, don't remember how long the dose would have to be continued to see results and what results were reported but ya starting @30mg/day would put you at 210mg/week = great starting point

 

[Unforgiven]

I plan on sticking at the 30mg starting out. 40 right off the bat is a bit much i think since my cycle is 6 weeks and not 4wks. As for dosing Ive read allot that the 3 and 4 week bench are when people see allot of results. Think i should stay at one week of 50mg or should i run week 5 and 6 at 50mg?

EFX I seen is the primary holder of Kre Alkalyn, does it really matter what brand I get, should all be produced from the same patent holder?

 

[MeatHead96]

I plan on sticking at the 30mg starting out. 40 right off the bat is a bit much i think since my cycle is 6 weeks and not 4wks. As for dosing Ive read allot that the 3 and 4 week bench are when people see allot of results. Think i should stay at one week of 50mg or should i run week 5 and 6 at 50mg?

EFX I seen is the primary holder of Kre Alkalyn, does it really matter what brand I get, should all be produced from the same patent holder?

It doesn't matter. I've used different brands. Kre-alkalyn is a good product. I just use regular creatine now, I use a muscle replenisher shake post-workout that has creatine and a bunch of aminos, protein, carbs and everything. Good luck with your epi cycle brother. I will be running one here very soon as well.

 

[Unforgiven]

Thanks for the info guys. Just ordered some creatine, gonna save it for pct so I can really judge how well the epi is working.

Also just a side note for people looking into using Nolvadex(Tamoxifen citrate) you should dose it around 20mg/1ml a day in recommended for male use of gyno repression, breast cancer in women is the only one based at using a high dose of 40mg or higher a day. This product also has a half life of 7 days(meaning it stays in your system for 7 days prior to your last use) with a 4-7hr peak rate. It should be taken with food or fluids for GI symptoms and take iron and vitamin supplements with it as well. Dosage should be taken at second meal of day and before bed time,(10mg each dose.) *All information is conducted out of a doctor medical book/dr advice and is not my personal opinion*

Im excited to begin monday! I will post before, during, and after results of progression.

Like I said earlier, I havnt had great luck with PH's in the past and will test if this one is any better and hopefully will help with people looking into trying epi or PH of any brand.

Here is my final Cycle conclusion of what i think looks good.

Pre-Cycle Support
Week 1: Hawthorne Berries x3 + Milk Thistle x3 + 3x Fish Oil + 1x Potassium daily
Week 2: Hawthorne Berries x3 + Milk Thistle x3 + 3x Fish Oil + 1x Potassium daily

Cycle:
Week 1: 30 mg/day
Week 2: 40 mg/day
Week 3: 40 mg/day
Week 4: 40 mg/day
Week 5: 50 mg/day
Week 6: 50 mg/day

+ (Week 1-4) Cycle Assist - 8 capsules daily + Fish oil x3 + Potassium daily x1
+ (Week 5-6) Celery seed x4 + Milk thistle x4 + Hawthorne Berries x4 + Fish oil x3 + Potassium daily x1

PCT:
Week 5: 20 mg/day Nolvadex + Zinc + Magnesium + Hawthorne Berries x3 + Milk Thistle x3 + Fish Oil x3 + Iron x1 + Kre Alkalyn + toco-8
Week 6: 20 mg/day Nolvadex + Zinc + Magnesium + Hawthorne Berries x3 + Milk Thistle x3 + Fish Oil x3 + Iron + Kre Alkalyn + toco-8
Week 7: 20 mg/day Nolvadex + Zinc + Magnesium + Hawthorne Berries x3 + Milk Thistle x3 + Fish Oil x3 + Iron + Kre Alkalyn + toco-8
Week 8: 20 mg/day Nolvadex + 4x Activate Xtreme (2 twice daily) + Zinc + Magnesium + Hawthorne Berries x3 + Milk Thistle x3 + Fish Oil x3 + Iron + Kre Alkalyn + toco-8
Week 9: 4x Activate Xtreme (2 twice daily) Hawthorne Berries x3 + Milk Thistle x3 + 3x Fish Oil + Iron + Kre Alkalyn Week 10: 4x Activate Xtreme (2 twice daily) Hawthorne Berries x3 + Milk Thistle x3 + 3x Fish Oil + Iron + Kre Alkalyn
Week 11: 4x Activate Xtreme (2 twice daily) Hawthorne Berries x3 + Milk Thistle x3 + 3x Fish Oil + Iron + Kre Alkalyn