Fat guy needs advice on cycle

[Benjab]

Hey folks been out of the gym for over a year due to an out of control work life and have gotten myself upto around 200lbs, probably 30% BF, AND complete loss of all the strength I once had. I have placed an order for all of the stuff I'll need for the following- this is the cycle I'm about to run in order to kick start my triumphant return to the gym.

Test e 200mg every 3 days
Tren ace 80mg every 3 days
Sibutramine (to curb appetite) 20mg daily throughout
T3 beginning on 20 mcg working up to a comfortable dose
Clenbuterol titrate to around 120 and do 2 on 2 off throughout.
This is a 12 wk course with tamoxifen taken at 20mg daily throughout, and will continue with that for 6 wks after the course. Also hcg 2 wks after last pin.

Not my first cycle, just let myself go and want to hit the ground running... I am wondering if any of you see anything there that flashes any alarm bells, usually I'd run sus, tren and naps for 12-14 wks as a cycle but this time I need to cover fat loss as much as poss. I have an extensive cardio plan and will be sticking to a restrictive diet however I will ensure I get the right amount of protein and the test should prevent catabolicism. Any advice? Criticism? Thoughts? Please share.

 

[Southernfish]

Alarm bells?.......30%BF for starters, not a good idea running anabolics at the high of a BF%.

 

[Megatron28]

First of all, as a fat guy you are going to have huge estradiol problems if you don't use an aromatase inhibitor. Why aren't you including one?

I think you would be better off spending time in he gym to get back in shape before running a cycle.

Tren is going to really diminish what little cardio ability you have. Tren is a poor choice for someone wanting to donamlot of cardio.

you need to add Nolva to your PCT. And don't use hCG during PCT. Use it during your cycle to maintain teaticle funcon and size.

I think you need to do a lot of homework. Your cycle is poorly put together. You are not ready for a cycle. Read the sticky threads to get a better understanding of AAS. I am not trying to be a jerk. I just don't want to see you hurt yourself.

Lastly, how old are you? Height?

 

[Benjab]

36 - 5'10

This is great guys thanks for your input, I know 30% is real high! I need to lose that ASAP which is the reason for the t3, and the clen. I haven't had problems with cardio in previous cycles with tren. 1 hr power walking on the treadmill, occasionally breaking into sprints to help improve fitness has never been a problem, I have just had a bad year where the gym went out of the window due to having to work all the hours god sent. Now that's not an issue I want to look good and feel good again so again don't hold back, be brutal tell me if you think I'm wrong about something I appreciate your input.
I have read about using hcg throughout and am toying with the idea of doing that what are the benefits?

 

[Benjab]

I was worried that the hcg would not be as effective at restarting natural testosterone production if I used it throughout, this was based on one hypothesis and I have also read plenty to suggest the contrary to be true. I am definitely going to order extra hcg to run throughout and some arimadex/letrazole as was suggested earlier

 

[Captain America]

Are you sure you are 30% bodyfat? Maybe a pic is in order. The fellas here can probably get a pretty good estimate from that. I'm speaking from experience here when I tell you that it's in your best interest to hit the gym again and get into better shape before hopping on a cycle.

In addition to all of the things already mentioned at 36 yrs old your body doesn't recover how it used to. You will be primed for injuries as your muscles will grow at a rapid rate and your ligaments and tendons will not be ready for it. Next thing you know your cycle is cut short due to injury and now to make matters worse you have to start pct and the possibility of surgery.

Maybe the best thing you could do right now is to hit up 3J for some diet and coaching advice and get into better shape and prime yourself for a cycle instead of injury. In my opinion that would be money better spent at this junction.

Just my $.02

 

[Benjab]

In addition to all of the things already mentioned at 36 yrs old your body doesn't recover how it used to. You will be primed for injuries as your muscles will grow at a rapid rate and your ligaments and tendons will not be ready for it. Next thing you know your cycle is cut short due to injury and now to make matters worse you have to start pct and the possibility of surgery.

Just my $.02

Loud and clear, since the stuff is already on order I will spend 6 months or so hammering the cardio and higher reps and run the t3 sibutramine and clen to reduce the body fat and get in better shape before starting my cycle.
My diet has been modified to put me at a slight basal ********* deficit, only been back in the gym for a month but I'm progressing nicely, just wanted to speed things up. Thank you all for your input.

 

[Megatron28]

Loud and clear, since the stuff is already on order I will spend 6 months or so hammering the cardio and higher reps and run the t3 sibutramine and clen to reduce the body fat and get in better shape before starting my cycle.
My diet has been modified to put me at a slight basal ********* deficit, only been back in the gym for a month but I'm progressing nicely, just wanted to speed things up. Thank you all for your input.

You should not run T3 without running Testosterone. You will lose muscle if you do. Save the T3 for your cycle. There is a good thread by Austinite on how to run T3 that you should read.

 

[Southernfish]

Loud and clear, since the stuff is already on order I will spend 6 months or so hammering the cardio and higher reps and run the t3 sibutramine and clen to reduce the body fat and get in better shape before starting my cycle.
My diet has been modified to put me at a slight basal ********* deficit, only been back in the gym for a month but I'm progressing nicely, just wanted to speed things up. Thank you all for your input.

I honestly don't think you should run T3 or anything right at this point. You obviously have ambition to get back into shape so that right there is a good starting point. Get you diet where it should be, and have a cardio plan set and I honestly do see a problem with you droppin you BF% down naturally to where it needs to be. IMO theres a lot better chance of you keeping that BF off if you do it naturally, youll respect it more, and in the end the gain in muscle and fat lose will me more set in stone. Because you earned it. During that time spend some time educating yourself on cycles, diets, training methods, and just learning new things so that when its time to cycle youll be able to make it count.

 

[3J]

he doesn't need compounds.. he needs to be shown where the diet section is and get his diet in order..

diet and training = results..

i have helped clients lose 20% bodyfat who had your stats with diet and training alone.. no compounds.. no magic pills.. just dedication and hard work.. thats the secret to getting in shape..

 

[hiram1st]

Get you diet where it should be, and have a cardio plan set and I honestly do see a problem with you droppin you BF% down naturally to where it needs to be. IMO theres a lot better chance of you keeping that BF off if you do it naturally, youll respect it more, and in the end the gain in muscle and fat lose will me more set in stone. Because you earned it. During that time spend some time educating yourself on cycles, diets, training methods, and just learning new things so that when its time to cycle youll be able to make it count.

Because of this type of adivce from members on this forum is why I'm on my way to obtaining my goals. I'be been with 3J for a month and this past week starting really appriciate a proper diet. And as I start seeing results slowly but surely I know I don't want to ever be in the position I was when I started!

 

[3J]

losing weight and fast are two words that should never be in the same sentence... your body can only lose so much fat per week.. the rest is water weight and muscle.. and you put your body in starvation mode..

we are all psychologically programmed for instant results.. it doesn't work that way with weight loss.. it has to be done slow..

you didn't get fat fast.. you'll get skinny even slower than you got fat

 

[bonexyster]

When i first started going to the gym i was fat man, i gained muscle but i was still fat so i done just as you're asking about i cycled hoping to loose fat and all i done was get stronger. Finally i learned about this magical trick called dieting, 6 months later after i was pretty lean i cycled again. Bro I'll be the first to tell you that cycle with high bf is only 1/5 effective. When you are lean and cycle it is 2 different worlds. The aas are simply explosive compared to when you're overweight.

 

[arm wrestler]

First of all, as a fat guy you are going to have huge estradiol problems if you don't use an aromatase inhibitor. Why aren't you including one?

I think you would be better off spending time in he gym to get back in shape before running a cycle.

Tren is going to really diminish what little cardio ability you have. Tren is a poor choice for someone wanting to donamlot of cardio.

you need to add Nolva to your PCT. And don't use hCG during PCT. Use it during your cycle to maintain teaticle funcon and size.

I think you need to do a lot of homework. Your cycle is poorly put together. You are not ready for a cycle. Read the sticky threads to get a better understanding of AAS. I am not trying to be a jerk. I just don't want to see you hurt yourself.

Lastly, how old are you? Height?

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