Finasteride hair loss

[cashout]

Mate, seriously don't even begin to act like you know what you're talking about.

There is a forum about this - propeciahelp.com - theres hundreds of users with all sorts of symtoms from complete brain fog to testicular atrophy and yes - penis shrinkage.

What's so hard to understand? You do realise your penis is nourished by androgens, right? You do realise you penis hangs bigger etc when you have higher free testosterone levels, right? Do you know how badly many people have been affected by the drug? Clearly not.

Are you not aware that guys use DHT CREAM to actually enlarge their penis? Some very successfully? No?

You do realise that androgen defecient people and/or hypogondal people suffer frmo similar problems?

The WHOLE POINT of that forum is that it showcased that study to be fundamentally wrong. There IS ALOT of information out there that now shows this to be a fact. It's accepted by many top doctors (cutting edge endochronoligists) at this point including Dr Shippen, Dr Jacobs, Dr Crisler, Professor Bouloux.

This doesn't evne get into the fact that that study didn't even admit that people could have side effects persist for a prolonged period after usage. They didn't mention any issues on fertility despite FSH levels being low acorss the board on propecia help etc.


It's extremely frustrating someone throwing a study at me that i relied on myself but now know from personal exeprience to be unrealiable.

I'm not going to begin to address the entire list of items that are factually inaccurate in your post.

You know what, you are right. I know nothing about this whatsoever.

I am tired of this.

So long all.

Regards.

 

[Colin297]

I'm not going to begin to address the entire list of items that are factually inaccurate in your post.

You know what, you are right. I know nothing about this whatsoever.
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You can't even begin to address anything as "wrong" considering you admit yourself you know nothing. Unlike me who has read more articles, personal case studies and spoke to endochronologists for hundreds of hours. Some of this stuff isn't conventually agreed, granted, but that is a different matter. Just like most PTA cycles aren't conventally agreed upon doesn't mean we don't know what is right and what isn't.

So i think it's me that's tired of people like you, all things considered.

 

[UserAt204]

Let me just back cashout for a moment. Collin, I understand your concern and thoughts as someone with a bad experience to put it lightly but cashout is very experienced and know what he is talking about. The good doc is only trying to help others, which he has done many times. It is very unfortunate that you had a horrible experience, but with ANY drug, there are risk and benefit. There is no safe drug, as they all have side effects and can be potentially deadly for some people

Cashout has used the drug him self for many years with a very positive outcome and the only reason he questioned your response is because it may not be something he came across in his research or with his clientel.

I understand your frustration but you can't bash the guy for asking because he isn't some jackass that just pops in a throws out answers that he has no professional or personal experience with. I bet if you actually sat and had a conversation with the guy you would realize the vast amount of knowledge he has on the subject and many others. I personally don't care if he's a doc or not. What I do care about is the fact that he spends his time posting studies to back his comments and helps others with his personal and professional knowledge.

Again I'm not bashing you collin because you too have experience on this subject. We have to agree that each and every drug will effect each person in a slightly different way and have to decide if the benefit outways the risk, which in your case it did not but there are more people with a positive experience than reports of negative experiences with these drugs. If I were you I would also be warning others of the potential risk because I'm sure no one would want that experience just to keep some hair but don't be so hard on the guy because he means well and is an asset here.

 

[Colin297]

Let me just back cashout for a moment. Collin, I understand your concern and thoughts as someone with a bad experience to put it lightly but cashout is very experienced and know what he is talking about. The good doc is only trying to help others, which he has done many times. It is very unfortunate that you had a horrible experience, but with ANY drug, there are risk and benefit. There is no safe drug, as they all have side effects and can be potentially deadly for some people

Cashout has used the drug him self for many years with a very positive outcome and the only reason he questioned your response is because it may not be something he came across in his research or with his clientel.

I understand your frustration but you can't bash the guy for asking because he isn't some jackass that just pops in a throws out answers that he has no professional or personal experience with. I bet if you actually sat and had a conversation with the guy you would realize the vast amount of knowledge he has on the subject and many others. I personally don't care if he's a doc or not. What I do care about is the fact that he spends his time posting studies to back his comments and helps others with his personal and professional knowledge.

Again I'm not bashing you collin because you too have experience on this subject. We have to agree that each and every drug will effect each person in a slightly different way and have to decide if the benefit outways the risk, which in your case it did not but there are more people with a positive experience than reports of negative experiences with these drugs. If I were you I would also be warning others of the potential risk because I'm sure no one would want that experience just to keep some hair but don't be so hard on the guy because he means well and is an asset here.

Good post, and i agree.

It certainly isn't anything personal. It just is frustrating because even doctors have treated a lot of people like me with utter distain in the sense they tried to attribute their problems to mental issues etc (despite obvious physical problems, hormonal imbalance etc). It's sheer madness. Doctors can have egos which puts their own clients at risk.

I'm sorry but anyone who says that penile shrinakge isn't possible from finasteride DOESN'T understand and hasn't researched the subject adequately. A few hours of reseach alone will show you that how finasteride works can become very complicated in a damaged endoctrine system.

You cant blame one for being defensive after his initial post questioning my symptoms whilst throwing at me a study which is widely considered misleading in todays age.

So many endos are banning finasteride, certain counties are practically forbidding it altogether.

 

[Colin297]

Some extra reading for people interested:

Testosterone deficiency and Peyronie's disease: pilot data suggesting a significant relationship.

Testosterone deficiency and Peyronie's disease: pi... [J Sex Med. 2009] - PubMed result

CONCLUSIONS: This pilot study suggests a possibly important relationship between low T and PD. Further prospective studies are needed to confirm this relationship.

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Note: Androgen resistance due to dysfunctional androgen receptor would have the same effect as low T: Finasteride caused Androgen Insensitivity or altered Gene Expression? • PROPECIAHELP: Unresolved Finasteride Propecia Proscar side effects info & discussion forum

Further evidenced by:

Androgens Play a Pivotal Role in Maintaining Penile Tissue Architecture and Erection: A Review

Androgens are essential for development, growth, and maintenance of penile structure, and regulate erectile physiology by multiple mechanisms. Here we provide a concise overview of the basic research findings pertaining to androgen modulation of erectile tissue architecture and physiology. A significant body of evidence exists pointing to a critical role of androgens in erectile physiology.

Androgens Play a Pivotal Role in Maintaining Penile Tissue Architecture and Erection: A Review -- Traish 30 (4): 363 -- Journal of Andrology

also a very interesting read is this thread. Slightly different angle...

Penile Shrinkage - Due to a lack of DHT? • PROPECIAHELP: Unresolved Finasteride Propecia Proscar side effects info & discussion forum


some people acquired androgen resistence/insensitivity, too. I.E. Damaged receptors. It's not completely ridiculous given the clear physical symptoms, either.

 

[UserAt204]

Thanks for the info Colin. Very informative. I need to spend some time reading it.

 

[Colin297]

I personally wouldn't expect anyone to really take much of an interest in it unless they're either:

1) Extremely interested in such medical point or writing a thesis
2) Are doctors who stand to educate themselves (most don't even know what a good testosterone rating is...instead they rely on basic antiquated "ranges" )
3) Are real life victims


Go enjoy your life, man and stay way from finasteride!

 

[rockets]

finasteride has been amazing for me. best thing ive taken

 

[tommyroller]

This is all fucked up, cause it's not a sure thing with finasteride.

from the research i've done, i don't think it would hurt to take 1 mg. during a test cycle, and continue till the esters clear.

When your recovering from said cycle, it may be tough for a while but with a good diet and rest i firmly believe there is nothing the body can't recover from.

I know guys who have talked to cashout about this and he seems to know his stuff, dont go slaggin the guy off.

My 2 cents.