First Cycle - A Hell of a Lot of Questions

[Xoine]

Hello, new to this board. Seems like an invaluable resource

I have a hell of a lot of questions, both on my cycle, and on life on Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) in general.

This is my first cycle.

Weeks 1-10 Testosterone Enanthate 500mg/week, mondays and thursdays
Weeks 1-4 Oral Dianabol 50mg/day
Weeks 13-15 Nolvadex 20mg/day
Weeks 13-15 Clomid 50mg/day

I want to cruise HCG at 500mg/week during the cycle. Which weeks should I use it and for how long?

I know Dbol is not recommended on a first cycle, but I want something to kickstart it.
Dbol is pretty liver toxic and apparently the bloat is pretty bad. Is there anything else I can take to kickstart it instead? Also, I'm pretty short at 5"2 155 lbs, should I use a lower dose of the Dbol?

I will also keep extra nolva on hand in case I see any gyno flare ups during the cycle. Will this suffice, or should I get letro/adex?

I don't want to spend too much, 200 bucks + is a pretty high price to start with, especially for a college junior.

Most sample cycles have Nolva at 40mg for the first week and then taper down, but I read that Nolva is actually pretty toxic,
and 20mg should really be the maximum dose, and so I want to dose it at 20mg/day. Will this suffice for a 3 week post cycle therapy (pct)? Is the clomid dosage alright?

Is HCG really required for a 10 week cycle if I am tight on cash or should I get it anyhow? Not asking for a source, but is it possible to find a site that will sell me legit HCG only at a reasonable price?

Also, considering that test seems to kick in only after 7-8 weeks, and that I won't be doing too many cycles, should I push this cycle to about 12-14 weeks instead of 10?

Do I need any liver support when using dianabol?

Diet:

As a natty, I bulk on 2.4kcals (im short. 5"2 at 155 lbs). As an endomorph, I gain some fat on these calories. What would be a decent
caloric range to consume while on cycle? Will lean mass gains still be significant if I am in a caloric deficit while on cycle?

Next questions are about usage/storage protocol at college. I am in my junior year.


Naturally, I don't want to store the stuff in my dorm. My roommate is cool with it, but dorms just arn't very secure places.

I don't have a car, and don't have any trustworthy friends off campus to stash my stuff with. Where could I stash my stuff,
and where could I inject? I am thinking maybe I could rent a locker at a subway or something under a false name (or should I use my real one?)
store my stuff in a duffel bag in the locker, visit the locker on my inject days, keep sterile and careful, and inject in the washroom?
Of course, HCG is a problem with this. I will need to store the stuff in a fridge. Can't possibly store it in my fridge at my dorm, with friends and
my roommate's friends popping in all the time.

Pins, syringes - How sterile is storing my gear in the syringe for a one time shot? I will be using the stealth sachets. Or should I get
pre-sealed vials? If using vials, should I filter the stuff from the sachets when I transfer it to the vials or would it be a waste of dough?

Pins - I will use an 18g 1" to draw, and a 22g 1.5" to inject. Correct? And use a 29g 1/2" slin pin to inject the HCG sub-q, correct?


More trouble - My college is in NJ. Not only are Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) illegal, the place has a damn anti-drug paraphinelia law which outlaws
the possession of syringes or hypodermic needles without a prescription. How do I go about disposing pins and syringes?

Pins I will store in a small supplement jar and when it is full I will seal it with expandable foam. Where should I throw it?
What do I do with my syringes? Theyre not as small as needles and draw alot more attention if seen? Then again, considering how small 3cc needles are should I just dump all my syringes and needles into a used protein powder tub, seal with expandable foam and toss in a garbage disposal off-campus? Will on-campus disposals be safe considering the pins will be sealed in the tub?

Well, these are all my questions. A long read, yes

All and any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks!

EDIT: I also have acne issues (currently have some backne and some shoulder acne). What would be the best way to prevent/contain an acne flare up?

 

[FilipH]

Weeks 1-10 Testosterone Enanthate 500mg/week, mondays and thursdays
Weeks 1-4 Oral Dianabol 50mg/day
Weeks 13-15 Nolvadex 20mg/day
Weeks 13-15 Clomid 50mg/day

I want to cruise HCG at 500mg/week during the cycle. Which weeks should I use it and for how long?

I know Dbol is not recommended on a first cycle, but I want something to kickstart it.

Don't use dblol, 500mg test is more then enough. If you take something to kickstart you won't really know how you react on it in the beginning. If you only do test, you can really observe yourself when it kicks/starts to kick in. Valuable information for you.

I will also keep extra nolva on hand in case I see any gyno flare ups during the cycle. Will this suffice, or should I get letro/adex?

Have a good amount of nolva on hand. should be enough. Drop the clomid !

I don't want to spend too much, 200 bucks + is a pretty high price to start with, especially for a college junior.

So, do a test only cycle with nolva on hand. Don't forget you will need A LOT of extra food to build muscle and that will cost a lot as well. Test only cycles are quite cost effective.

Most sample cycles have Nolva at 40mg for the first week and then taper down, but I read that Nolva is actually pretty toxic,
and 20mg should really be the maximum dose, and so I want to dose it at 20mg/day. Will this suffice for a 3 week post cycle therapy (pct)? Is the clomid dosage alright?

Don't worry about toxicity of nolva. Start with 40mg, go to 20mg. forget clomid.

Is HCG really required for a 10 week cycle if I am tight on cash or should I get it anyhow? Not asking for a source, but is it possible to find a site that will sell me legit HCG only at a reasonable price?

I don't use it, and recover just fine. Some might disagree and say its necessary. I think it would be good, but you can do without it.

Also, considering that test seems to kick in only after 7-8 weeks, and that I won't be doing too many cycles, should I push this cycle to about 12-14 weeks instead of 10?

7-8 weeks seems really exaggerated and i never heard of it. Many people claim to feel it before 4 weeks; but i think at week 4 most people start to feel it.

I'd suggest a 12 week cycle for a first timer. Don't do longer as you don't know yet how easy/difficult it will be for you to recover.

Diet:

As a natty, I bulk on 2.4kcals (im short. 5"2 at 155 lbs). As an endomorph, I gain some fat on these calories. What would be a decent
caloric range to consume while on cycle? Will lean mass gains still be significant if I am in a caloric deficit while on cycle?

See the diet forum. But if you are on a test cycle you simply have to eat as much as possible, but try to eat clean. I don't think it is possible to overeat while on test. If you want to diet, don't do test. Especially not at your weight.

Next questions are about usage/storage protocol at college. I am in my junior year.


Naturally, I don't want to store the stuff in my dorm. My roommate is cool with it, but dorms just arn't very secure places.

I don't have a car, and don't have any trustworthy friends off campus to stash my stuff with. Where could I stash my stuff,
and where could I inject? I am thinking maybe I could rent a locker at a subway or something under a false name (or should I use my real one?)
store my stuff in a duffel bag in the locker, visit the locker on my inject days, keep sterile and careful, and inject in the washroom?

Do it in your room while your roommate is away. It takes max 10 mins if you are new to it.

More trouble - My college is in NJ. Not only are Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) illegal, the place has a damn anti-drug paraphinelia law which outlaws
the possession of syringes or hypodermic needles without a prescription. How do I go about disposing pins and syringes?

maybe use a empty protein box and just have a walk at night and dump it somewhere. Make sure the cover is on the needles.



Despite me answering your questions, I really think your weight is far to low to even consider this. If i were you:

1. I'd save my money and use it for food
2. Avoid all those potential problems (especially as a dormstudent). Muscles are important but so is college.


Anyway, whatever you do : good luck with it!

 

[Xoine]

Thanks for the response. You really have to look at my height in relation to my weight 5"2 155 lbs at about 12% bf is pretty solid. One would equate it to perhaps 200 -210 lbs at 6 feet. I have 4 years of solid training and diet experience behind me. I think I am ready, and I appreciate the concern.

The issue with my dorm isn't my roommate. He is cool with it. I am nervous about keeping these compounds, and especially syringes etc around in my dorm with friends popping in every now and then etc. Though if I am careful to clean up and store my stuff in a duffel bag under my bed or something I really should be fine...

Thing is, especially in a dorm like area, when you blow up over 12 weeks, people tend to notice. And they start talking..RA is informed, inspection might occur, etc etc.

PCT, I really don't know what to believe anymore, lol. Some say both nolva and clomid are crap, some say nolva is the most toxic thing in most cycles, some say clomid sucks. Ill wait for a litle more input on this.

Good to hear on the HCG I guess. I really want to run it to stay safe, but Advanced stealth doesn't seem to make any HCG...

 

[FilipH]

I understand your dorm problem. The only thing i like to stress is that you need a clean environment where you can sit down. Injecting while standing is quite difficult.

It's a bit difficult to explain but you really need a quiet and private place to inject, preferably with a table. Doing it in the toilet is going to be very impractical. It's not just injecting, It's

- getting it in the syringe from the vial (oil can be thick and it takes time)
- change pin
- inject it (not difficult, but not that easy)
- use medical wipes,
- put a bandage on it.
- deal with the trash, etc.

==> to do this, a table is convenient.

The post cycle therapy (pct) is easy; you have 2 choices :

Basic Clomid post cycle therapy (pct):
Day 1 to 10: 100mg ED
Day 11 to 21: 50mg ED

OR

Basic Nolvadex post cycle therapy (pct):
Days 1 to 14: 40mg ED
Days 15 to 30: 20mg ED

Don't combine them. It is not necessary and nobody does it. Clomid and Nolvadex are quite similar, but as you see Nolvadex uses lower mg's and has as a result lower sides. Easy choice.

Don't believe Nolva is toxic, why would that be?? You won't find this on the board, do a search.

 

[Xoine]

I understand your dorm problem. The only thing i like to stress is that you need a clean environment where you can sit down. Injecting while standing is quite difficult.

It's a bit difficult to explain but you really need a quiet and private place to inject, preferably with a table. Doing it in the toilet is going to be very impractical. It's not just injecting, It's

- getting it in the syringe from the vial (oil can be thick and it takes time)
- change pin
- inject it (not difficult, but not that easy)
- use medical wipes,
- put a bandage on it.
- deal with the trash, etc.

==> to do this, a table is convenient.

The post cycle therapy (pct) is easy; you have 2 choices :

Basic Clomid post cycle therapy (pct):
Day 1 to 10: 100mg ED
Day 11 to 21: 50mg ED

OR

Basic Nolvadex post cycle therapy (pct):
Days 1 to 14: 40mg ED
Days 15 to 30: 20mg ED

Don't combine them. It is not necessary and nobody does it. Clomid and Nolvadex are quite similar, but as you see Nolvadex uses lower mg's and has as a result lower sides. Easy choice.

Don't believe Nolva is toxic, why would that be?? You won't find this on the board, do a search.

Yeah I have decided that it isn't a big deal. The people I heard of who got busted for it were enormous and on their third or fourth cycle, and were careless, leaving syringes around their dorms.

I will get a duffel bag and a good lock. Store my gear in it, lock my dorm room and inject when I need to, dump pin/syringe into old protein tub. After my cycle I will use expandable foam to seal the tub, and throw it somewhere far away.

Ill go with the nolva. I will be getting liquid nolva, do I need to up the dose by 50%?

Would appreciate it if someone could answer this "pins - I will use an 18g 1" to draw, and a 22g 1.5" to inject. Correct? And use a 29g 1/2" slin pin to inject the HCG sub-q, correct?"

Thanks for the help


EDIT: When you say days 1-14, you mean starting 2 weeks after the last shot right?

 

[Xoine]

My source only has 20ml sachets of test e. What are the thoughts on running the test e e5d instead of e4d and pull it out into a 14 week cycle instead of a 10 week one? Considering that I am quite short, I have a feeling I would do fine on lower doses of test, especially during a first cycle.

Any thoughts on using Designer Supplements Activate to free up the test I am injecting?

 

[VICIOUS_BEAST]

Everybody Wants 2 Be A Bodybuilder But Nobody Wants 2 Lift Heavy Weights..i'ma Do It Though...

 

[Xoine]

Everybody Wants 2 Be A Bodybuilder But Nobody Wants 2 Lift Heavy Weights..i'ma Do It Though...

huh?

 

[FilipH]

EDIT: When you say days 1-14, you mean starting 2 weeks after the last shot right?

yep.

My source only has 20ml sachets of test e. What are the thoughts on running the test e e5d instead of e4d and pull it out into a 14 week cycle instead of a 10 week one? Considering that I am quite short, I have a feeling I would do fine on lower doses of test, especially during a first cycle.

You can definitly consider low doses, but don't mess to much with the time of the cycle. 10 to 12 weeks should be enough for the first cycle. 14 weeks for the first time is quite long. Reason : You don't know yet how difficult it will be to get your own test back on. The longer the cycle, the harder it will get.

Any thoughts on using Designer Supplements Activate to free up the test I am injecting?

Don't believe to much in supplements. Save your money for the only real supplement you need : Food.

 

[I_feel_nothing]

i would go with 23s to draw with, otherwise you may end up with rubber floaties in your oil.

 

[Xoine]

i would go with 23s to draw with, otherwise you may end up with rubber floaties in your oil.

23 is pretty damn thin. How about a 20 or 22? I don't want to spend half an hour drawing.

How sterile are preloaded syringes if done properly?

If I go with vials I will only store 4 shots/vial. Still use a 23g?

As far as injecting - whats the difference between injecting with a thinner gauge over a thicker one. From what I have read - thinner guage = less pain when penetrating, but takes longer to inject and possibly increased chance of pain after injection from lack of circulation of the oil. Thicker gauge = more pain while penetrating, increased scar tissue, but lowered chance of pain later. How accurate is this?

Thanks for your response

 

[rocko419]

I draw up with 23g and it goes quick then i inject with 25g and yes i am a bit wimppy so i use a small pin. But it Don't hurt!!

 

[rocko419]

23 is pretty damn thin. How about a 20 or 22? I don't want to spend half an hour drawing.

As far as injecting - whats the difference between injecting with a thinner gauge over a thicker one. From what I have read - thinner guage = less pain when penetrating, but takes longer to inject and possibly increased chance of pain after injection from lack of circulation of the oil. Thicker gauge = more pain while penetrating, increased scar tissue, but lowered chance of pain later. How accurate is this?




Use the 25g to inject it doe's not hurt it goes in like butter the only thing you have to apply more pressur when pushing the plunger to get the oil out but it comes. They say you should inject slowly anyhow so I think its a perfect match. and No it doe's not hurt after why would it? It only makes sence smaller hole in your ass less pain. Bigger hole in your ass more pain. No??