First cycle and looking for advice

[thunderc4ts]

considering a 8-10 week cycle consisting of Test P 100mg,1ml and anavar 10mg per tablet. i want to keep away from tren/deca/dbol. Looking for good lean hard gains rather than

getting massive.

I can also get hold of hcg and PCT inc clomid,proviron,nolva

my bf is around 15%

my thoughts were:

50mg anavar every day
100mg test p every other day

im unsure if ill need an AI running with this cycle with me taking anavar, does it act like winny does with the estrogen levels and stuff?

any advice and stuff would be good

thanks

 

[Metalhead]

Prop on a first cycle? Var the whole cycle? No ai? No liver support? Read a little bit before comitting

 

[thunderc4ts]

Prop on a first cycle? Var the whole cycle? No ai? No liver support? Read a little bit before comitting

no sorry ill be taking nac and b6 aswell.
Im not sure how long to take var for thats why im asking for advice

 

[Metalhead]

4-6 weeks is usually recommended even though ive seen some guys do 8 weeks. NAC will be fine by itself for liver values. Get either adex or aromasin to control your e2. Is prop the only test you can get? Pinning eod sucks after a while. Might be more aggravating on your first

 

[thunderc4ts]

4-6 weeks is usually recommended even though ive seen some guys do 8 weeks. NAC will be fine by itself for liver values. Get either adex or aromasin to control your e2. Is prop the only test you can get? Pinning eod sucks after a while. Might be more aggravating on your first

Not sure what happened, i posted a reply to you lastnight. Oh well here goes again.

After extensive research online Ive decided ill do a 8 week cycle in total. I can get Sust very easily, but with this only being a short cycle i chose test Prop because it promotes nitrogen retention in the muscle,the more nitrogen the muscles holds the more protein the muscles store. Test prop also increases the activity of satellite cells which will help me repair damaged muscle faster and it has good effects on fat loss because of the androgen receptor being binded.

As for an AI, After research on a few official steroid sites with it being a short cycle and small dosages they all say taking an estrogen blocker like nolva through the cycle will be fine, or i can take an AI as a precaution, i will have letrozole to hand if any gyno starts.

So any1 thats reading this, would you think this is a decent cycle

week 1-8 100mg test p EOD
week 1-8 50mg anavar ED
week 9-12 PCT - Inc clomid,nolva,proviron
week 1-12 Nolva ED
B6 - ED
NAC - ED
Vitamins - ED
Glucosamine - ED

then i need advice on when to start the HCG, I will have 5000ius of HCG, im just not sure what week to do the first jab, then what day/week there after.

 

[snowpatrol123]

i chose test Prop because it promotes nitrogen retention in the muscle,the more nitrogen the muscles holds the more protein the muscles store. Test prop also increases the activity of satellite cells which will help me repair damaged muscle faster and it has good effects on fat loss because of the androgen receptor being binded.

These properties are true of testosterone in general; the propionate ester does not give it these abilities.

If you want to run nolva throughout your cycle you can, but you'd be better off with a low-dose aromatose inhibitor since that's what you're attempting to do with the nolva, anyways.

Your knowledge/research/understanding of how to run a PCT is seriously flawed. That does NOT look like a solid PCT whatsoever.

Edit: If you run the proviron low enough during PCT it MAY not be suppressive, but it certainly doesn't support the goal of returning your body to normal function ASAP

 

[Norsegod]

Do not run nolva throughout. It does not get rid of e2, it only prevents e2 from binding to breast tissue, and a few other things.

Do not use letro your first cycle. It's far too strong for someone without experience. Get adex or aromasin and start it from the beginning.
Adex @.5mgs eod
Aromasin @12.5 eod
Running prop @100 eod isn't a shit ton, but it's enough to make nice gains and the low ai dose should be plenty.

You need to get pre, mid, and post cycle blood work. Pre so that you get a baseline for your body and hormone levels, mid so that you can be sure your test is real, not under dosed, and that your ai dose is at the right amount so as not to crash your e2 or let it get too high and grow tits. Lol.

Prop can be annoying to pin cuz it is usually a bit more painful, along with the frequent pins.
I prefer prop because I get less bloat(a lot less) than with longer ester test and there is more actual test in it as the ester is lighter.

I would say test only on your first cycle, but var is very mild. Stick with six weeks and do it at the last 6 weeks. I know people like to kick start with an oral, but I feel var it's best at the end. Trust me,I run var on every single blast and even cruise with it at low dose.

Pct needs to be both clomid and nolva.
Clomid @ 50 a day for 4 weeks
Nolva @ 40 a day for 2 weeks then @20 a day for another 2 weeks.
Pct should begin 3 days after last pin of prop.

Hcg...this should be run at 500ius twice a week the whole cycle and stop the last day you pin test.

Make sure your diet and training are on point as well as rest. Without these you're wasting time, money, and energy.

Did I forget anything?

 

[fitguy22]

change prop to sust 250 since u said its easier for u to get but it'll be better if you could get test E or C.

 

[thunderc4ts]

Do not run nolva throughout. It does not get rid of e2, it only prevents e2 from binding to breast tissue, and a few other things.

Do not use letro your first cycle. It's far too strong for someone without experience. Get adex or aromasin and start it from the beginning.
Adex @.5mgs eod
Aromasin @12.5 eod
Running prop @100 eod isn't a shit ton, but it's enough to make nice gains and the low ai dose should be plenty.

You need to get pre, mid, and post cycle blood work. Pre so that you get a baseline for your body and hormone levels, mid so that you can be sure your test is real, not under dosed, and that your ai dose is at the right amount so as not to crash your e2 or let it get too high and grow tits. Lol.

Prop can be annoying to pin cuz it is usually a bit more painful, along with the frequent pins.
I prefer prop because I get less bloat(a lot less) than with longer ester test and there is more actual test in it as the ester is lighter.

I would say test only on your first cycle, but var is very mild. Stick with six weeks and do it at the last 6 weeks. I know people like to kick start with an oral, but I feel var it's best at the end. Trust me,I run var on every single blast and even cruise with it at low dose.

Pct needs to be both clomid and nolva.
Clomid @ 50 a day for 4 weeks
Nolva @ 40 a day for 2 weeks then @20 a day for another 2 weeks.
Pct should begin 3 days after last pin of prop.

Hcg...this should be run at 500ius twice a week the whole cycle and stop the last day you pin test.

Make sure your diet and training are on point as well as rest. Without these you're wasting time, money, and energy.

Did I forget anything?

fantastic reply,greatly appreciated.

Ok with regards to the AI,there's a good possibility I can only get my hands on letrozole,from reading through an awful lot of threads with people doing test stacks people have generally had an AI like aromasin,letrozole,adex to hand and start it if symptoms start,baring in mind they range from 10-14 week cycles. So if I can only get letrozole is this going to be an issue for me,and couldn't I just start it should any symptoms start as I'm only going to be doing an 8 week cycle. I'm going to try my hardest to get hold of aromasin but so far no luck after reading your reply I made enquiries resulting in letrozole only option so far.

As for bloods,never had to do that before as I've only ever taken var or winny in the past, my only gripe to this is the fact my wife's family member works there and books appointments lol typical.they talk regular so she would defo ask my wife if I'm ok becuase I've booked in for bloods.

 

[snowpatrol123]

As for bloods,never had to do that before as I've only ever taken var or winny in the past, my only gripe to this is the fact my wife's family member works there and books appointments lol typical.they talk regular so she would defo ask my wife if I'm ok becuase I've booked in for bloods.

I would not recommend letro as an AI for a beginner. It's pretty easy to crash your estrogen and you will feel like absolute shit if this happens.

One other piece of advice, you can take it or leave it:

I ran a long tren cycle, with everyday pinning, and my girlfriend definitelly was not aware. We live together, spend a lot of time together etc so I can tell you it's possible to hide it from a significant other.

HOWEVER

I would STRONGLY advocate at least trying to get your WIFE on board before you go down this path. Rarely do people only do one cycle, not saying you wouldn't be an exception but I'd be surprised. You've committed to her to be loving, supportive and honest...it's a pretty big 'secret' to hide from someone you share a bed with, trust me.

I'm good, hell I'm great at justifying things, and it still gnawed on my conscience, enough so that I've promised myself to try my best to get my girlfriend on board before embarking on another cycle. I haven't figured out what to do if it fails, but I will try my best not to have to figure that out anyways.

 

[thunderc4ts]

Do you think 8 weeks at 400mg test Prop per week will be require an AI with it being a low dosage though and having nolva to hand for gyno symptoms if needed, or run nolva along side the cycle.

I can possibly get hold of aromasin after a couple of calls tonight,its not 100% though. I REALLY DONT WANT TO TAKE LETROZOLE as this may be the only AI i can get hold of AHHHHHHHHHH

 

[jozifp103]

i did not use an AI on my first cycle. I had adex on hand in case. I did bloat on 500mg of test C but if you can deal with a little bloat and check bp regularly it will go away soon after the cycle. The only time the estro affected me was pct. Not physically, but mentally i felt the lady juice in my brain. I suppose if i kept my estro in check on cycle it may have been more mild but it was bearable. Some can get away without it but it's good to have it on hand. Look up some research chemical companies online and get some liquid adex or aromasin (exemestane). Im still new here im not sure if its ok to give names of research chem sites.

 

[BLH]

Do you think 8 weeks at 400mg test Prop per week will be require an AI with it being a low dosage though and having nolva to hand for gyno symptoms if needed, or run nolva along side the cycle.

I can possibly get hold of aromasin after a couple of calls tonight,its not 100% though. I REALLY DONT WANT TO TAKE LETROZOLE as this may be the only AI i can get hold of AHHHHHHHHHH

Depends on how your body reacta to test, some people's body aromatise on only 250mg some people will aromatise on much higher amounts. Do you have to run prop? Unless you are cool with very eod injections plus the pip with prop is not nice. Get some liquid stane from one of the forums sponsors and forget running nolva on cycle