First Cycle,Dbol only & wanna do it right.Looking for 'help'.

[M.M]

Hi,I'm a 29 year old guy,160 lb's,5'10",been training for bout 5 years on and off,have very little body fat and a good,cut shape going on already.

I am on a budget,feel I have reached a plateau in my training and following doing a good amount of research have just started my first cycle of dbol only at 30mg/day for 6 weeks/8 depending.
I'm splitting dose into 3 10mg tabs/day and I'm taking 1g of milk thistle/day,also divided into 3 doses.
I'm drinking 1-2 gallons water/day,training hard and heavy 3x a week.

Although I respect anyone else's opinion,I am aware of the stigma attached with dbol only cycles and therefore I'm not looking to be blasted for choosing to do one.

However,what I am looking for is advice on two subjects so I do this right:

First,at 30mg/day,realistically what sides am I gonna be likely to encounter?

Second,due to reading lots of different advice,I am looking for suggestions on the most effective way of keeping my gains...
I have Nolva,but can I use it in case of gyno and also as my post cycle therapy (pct) effectively?
What is best way to do this?

Finally,is there anything else I can do to minimise water retention throughout my cycle so that my gains,are true gains?

Thanks for your time and hopefully for your help.

 

[Juggernaut2148]

Your liver is going to hate you if it doesn't just fall out........and when your finished with the cycle your gains will disappear. Dbol only I could understand a powerlifter using just prior to a meet or to kick start a cycle but for a guy trying to add muscle you'd be much better off running an injectable.

 

[test-beast]

right alot of people will say dbol only = crap ,lots of warter weight but in some cases it can be used as a great compound for some....

i would bump it up to 40mgs ed and get an a.i (adex) this will control bloat like nothing else..

nolva on hand in case ofm gyno flair up(start at 20mgs ed if you have gyno probs and stop when gone)

weeks 1-6 40mgs dbol ed

weeks 1-6 adex (read up on this)

3-4 days after after last dbol pill start nolva at 20-30 mgs ed for 4 weeks ....

 

[gogetter]

Hi,I'm a 29 year old guy,160 lb's,5'10",been training for bout 5 years on and off,have very little body fat and a good,cut shape going on already.

I am on a budget,feel I have reached a plateau in my training and following doing a good amount of research have just started my first cycle of dbol only at 30mg/day for 6 weeks/8 depending.
I'm splitting dose into 3 10mg tabs/day and I'm taking 1g of milk thistle/day,also divided into 3 doses.
I'm drinking 1-2 gallons water/day,training hard and heavy 3x a week.

Although I respect anyone else's opinion,I am aware of the stigma attached with dbol only cycles and therefore I'm not looking to be blasted for choosing to do one.

However,what I am looking for is advice on two subjects so I do this right:

First,at 30mg/day,realistically what sides am I gonna be likely to encounter?

Second,due to reading lots of different advice,I am looking for suggestions on the most effective way of keeping my gains...
I have Nolva,but can I use it in case of gyno and also as my post cycle therapy (pct) effectively?
What is best way to do this?

Finally,is there anything else I can do to minimise water retention throughout my cycle so that my gains,are true gains?

Thanks for your time and hopefully for your help.

why D bol for a first cycle. and why d bol only. your gonna blow up like a balloon and deflate as so afterwards. and not to mention liver values. but if you say you have allready started then so be it. and yes you can use nolva for post cycle therapy (pct) and gyno, i suggest you read the stickies on this forum and the stickies on bodybuilding and steroids articles. forum.... do you mind me askign what was so appealing about d bol that you made you choose it ???

 

[test-beast]

Your liver is going to hate you if it doesn't just fall out........and when your finished with the cycle your gains will disappear. Dbol only I could understand a powerlifter using just prior to a meet or to kick start a cycle but for a guy trying to add muscle you'd be much better off running an injectable.

i diagree with the liver thing i have run anadrol @ 100mgs ed for 6 and 8 weeks with a good liver support there is no probs at all..

i have test from doc befor and after i run all orals and liver values are exactly the same before and after...

a weekend on the town will do more dammage to ones liver imo....

and all these young people who binge drinck every weekend are doing far far more dammage to there liver than a 6 weeks of dbol.

 

[test-beast]

by the way i run test with all my cycle and wouldent do oral only my self but i know of many who do and they have great gains and no probs after (blood test) if its done right and a good post cycle therapy (pct) and diet it can be ok....

 

[M.M]

Thanks for your advice,means alot.Few quick questions if you're cool to answer...
Milk thistle will protect liver sweet yeah?
At 30/40mg a day am I gonna need to worry bout many sides?,know potential ones but I'm healthy guy.
If I did get gyno,if I went to docs,he help yeah if I just said was on test booster?,how are docs bout steroids?
Thanks.

 

[test-beast]

sides will depend on the person ,i dont get anysides on dbol or drol ....but acne ,high blood presure are the ones most common with dbol imo...

pointless going the doc about the gyno as he would be able to do shit for you except tell you to stop ......nolva will sort the gyno if you get it ...

 

[M.M]

Cool,when you say no sides from dbol yourself,what are your stats roughly or what were they when you took dbol?,what was your cycle?.
Will help so I can judge,still know everyone different though.One thing am noticing is headaches,I'm two days in but not like bad bad.
I dont get point of peeps just criticising??,there's normally solution for water retention or whatever it is,people are looking for help,not to be put down,yah or nah?!.

 

[test-beast]

that pic was 5 year ago i started lifting around 4 months after that pic was takein and i done my first cycle 2 years later .

sustonon and dbol.

 

[test-beast]

thats me around 5 months ago at 198lbs ^^^^^127lbs in that above pic^^^^

just started a Sustanon (sust) Winstrol (winny) cycle 30 days in 18lbs up yet to start the winny...

 

[StoneColdNTO]

right alot of people will say dbol only = crap ,lots of warter weight but in some cases it can be used as a great compound for some....

i would bump it up to 40mgs ed and get an a.i (adex) this will control bloat like nothing else..

nolva on hand in case ofm gyno flair up(start at 20mgs ed if you have gyno probs and stop when gone)

weeks 1-6 40mgs dbol ed

weeks 1-6 adex (read up on this)

3-4 days after after last dbol pill start nolva at 20-30 mgs ed for 4 weeks ....

Although I tend to agree, I question you giving this advice to anyone who's 5'10" and only weighs 160 lbs.

You should be telling him that he needs to improve his diet and/or training instead. He should easily be able to get to 180 if not 190 naturally.

You should also know damn well what is going to happen with this cycle, he'll get to about 175 after 6 weeks, then he'll drop back down to the 160 mark because he still doesn't know how to eat or train correctly.

 

[M.M]

Impressive,so what was your very first cycle?,do you have any pics of your build when you started roids,were on the dianabol?.How tall are ya?

 

[test-beast]

Although I tend to agree, I question you giving this advice to anyone who's 5'10" and only weighs 160 lbs.

You should be telling him that he needs to improve his diet and/or training instead. He should easily be able to get to 180 if not 190 naturally.

You should also know damn well what is going to happen with this cycle, he'll get to about 175 after 6 weeks, then he'll drop back down to the 160 mark because he still doesn't know how to eat or train correctly.

yer your right bud i tend to overlook it sometimes as most will go ahead anyways
and do it ..

but yes up the ammount of food you eat by 1000 cals and gaining weight will be no problem..

 

[M.M]

Awesome tatts .
I'm being judged easy here,I'm on budget and have not always trained regular.I am aware of diet,training,my questions were about roids because I wanna do things safe.
Sticking my neck out...to me,if you are stronger from roids which enables you to blast in gym,you build muscle....even if there is some water retention,you will not lose that muscle you have built by blasting,that's gota be fact.I also aim to do things by the book,hence me asking for advice.

 

[pognog]

Hi M.M,
I'm also gonna start on a d-bol cycle, my first cycle whatsoever. My stats are very similar to yours, 5'10, 159, and about 18%bf. Reading alot of posts here, noone likes d-bol only cycles, and I understand very well why. Water retention, liver damage, gyno, and whatnot.
The problem is, I can only do orals, my wife in no way condones me of doing anything with needles, so I'm trying to cook up some kinda orals that might work a bit, if not a lot.
I'm still waiting on my d-bols, but I've also decided to take it along with Winstrol, and am tryin out arimatest atm, without any other roids, just to see how the testosterone works. Noone could answer me if arimatest was any good, so I have no choice but to try it myself, heh.
I've also thought about adding anavar to the cycle, but not sure if that's safe to do. I will be taking Liver protector along with the orals, and for post cycle therapy (pct), I've got Nolva ready on hand, and prolly going to use Animal Stak and Pak during that time as well.
So I'm virtually combining some AS and some regular supps, hope this is not too bad. While I'm still waiting on the Winnie and the D-bols keep me updated with your results. I'm very interested to hear how it worked out for ya!

Thanks and good luck!

 

[Chevrolet]

winny and dbol is not a good cycle.

 

[lookin]

I'm not as against dbol only cycles for your first go as most people are. One reason is because that's what I did for my first cycle. I used some test blockers from GNC as my post cycle therapy (pct). I kept 10 pounds after I was done with my cycle. Another reason I'm not totally against just using dbol is because it at least helps you get your feet wet in terms of steroid usage. You're able to get an idea for how your body will react to foreign substances.

Since you've already started the cycle, you might as well finish it. I would not go longer than 6 weeks. My first time with dbol was with 100 tabs at 10mg each. I took all 100 tabs over the course of 1 month. I did 3 tabs daily for about the first two weeks, then 4 daily for a week, and then 5 daily until I ran out.

Good luck and welcome to the dark side

 

[lookin]

Hi M.M,
I'm also gonna start on a d-bol cycle, my first cycle whatsoever. My stats are very similar to yours, 5'10, 159, and about 18%bf. Reading alot of posts here, noone likes d-bol only cycles, and I understand very well why. Water retention, liver damage, gyno, and whatnot.
The problem is, I can only do orals, my wife in no way condones me of doing anything with needles, so I'm trying to cook up some kinda orals that might work a bit, if not a lot.
I'm still waiting on my d-bols, but I've also decided to take it along with Winstrol, and am tryin out arimatest atm, without any other roids, just to see how the testosterone works. Noone could answer me if arimatest was any good, so I have no choice but to try it myself, heh.
I've also thought about adding anavar to the cycle, but not sure if that's safe to do. I will be taking Liver protector along with the orals, and for post cycle therapy (pct), I've got Nolva ready on hand, and prolly going to use Animal Stak and Pak during that time as well.
So I'm virtually combining some AS and some regular supps, hope this is not too bad. While I'm still waiting on the Winnie and the D-bols keep me updated with your results. I'm very interested to hear how it worked out for ya!

Thanks and good luck!

Like I said above, I'm not as against an oral only cycle as most, but even I think that taking dbol and winstrol together by themselves is a VERY BAD IDEA.

If injecting is that big of a deal, then just take ONE ORAL AT A TIME. Don't take dbol and winstrol together. Even if you were taking test, I don't know many people that would recommend taking those two orals together because it will fuck up your liver pretty badly.

 

[pognog]

even though this isn't my thread, thanks much for the advice!