First Cycle--Helladrol and Finaplix

[Harrydunn42]

Hi there!

I'm running my first cycle. I don't know if I'd even call it a cycle.

I take fina sublingually/orally (trenbolone acetate) and helladrol (also oral).

For liver protection I am taking Animal Pak which contains Milk thistle and other stuff.

I haven't been taking much so far (20 mg of tren, twice) and helladrol (25mg 1st day, 50mg second, 75mg third, 75 mg again).

I am only using on days I work out. That's sort of non-conformist but it makes sense to me as it pumps me up for workout and gives my natural test to rebound on days off.

Only working out upper-body as lower body has some injuries. Work out 2-3 times a week.

Benched 225 x 4 the other day. Doesn't sound like much hadn't done that since college. Just started working out a few weeks ago.

Undecided on anti-gyno stuff. Helladrol affects estrogen while tren affects progresterone/ prolactin. Obviously don't want bitch tits. Own Vitex which took but read it raises progesterone (lowers prolactin at 1g). It isn't unheard for people to run Helladrol OR Fina cycles without developing gyno. But it also isn't unheard of it happening.

Obviously want to be safe. This is my biggest concern right now. Think I am going to invest in a personal mini-fridge and buy some anti-gyno stuff (Prami, etc.) from RUI but have read some people have bad effects (naseau, etc.) from that stuff.

I need to figure this out before I get any gyno (cause that would suck). Apparently some stuff can reverse it if you get but hey.

Animal Pak also contains a ton of B6 (9000% DV) and I take a drink that contains a lot of mangosteen (BODE) which is an estrogen inhibitor.

Obvi, my big problem is progesterone inhibition. I'll have to buy something. Yet to figure it out.

Suggestions accepted.

Thanks for listening guys.

My goal is for the anabolics to speed up healing of some stress fractures I have in my feet. Also gain upper body strength and make workouts enjoyable. To be honest these injuries have been debilitating and I totally understand why hurt athletes turn to this stuff. It's a new thing, a new challenge and it makes lifting fun.

Best of luck dudes!

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[Maintenance Man]

Your biggest problem isn't progesterone inhibition. Its not needing to take 2 different oral steroids for a 1st cycle when you clearly don't need them. Working out for a few weeks and now you're taking steroids???

Correct me if I'm wrong but is that the old school fina pellets that u had to make the tren acetate from? Not just swallow the tabs??

 

[Harrydunn42]

old school fina is tren acetate. you can convert it or take it sublingually or transdermally. I'm doing sublingual for now. Tren is not supposed to be bad on liver, not methylated.

Helladrol on the other hand...

Only take 2-3 times a week and take animal pak 2x a day so should be ok.

I worked out significantly in the past. I have been flaky lately due to injuries. I hadn't tryed to max out in a significant period of time, I guess that's what I was communicating. Last time I tried was a few years ago and it was something like 200 so 225 x 4 is an improvement over that in a short period of time.

 

[Maintenance Man]

old school fina is tren acetate. you can convert it or take it sublingually or transdermally. I'm doing sublingual for now. Tren is not supposed to be bad on liver, not methylated.

Helladrol on the other hand...

Only take 2-3 times a week and take animal pak 2x a day so should be ok.

I worked out significantly in the past. I have been flaky lately due to injuries. I hadn't tryed to max out in a significant period of time, I guess that's what I was communicating. Last time I tried was a few years ago and it was something like 200 so 225 x 4 is an improvement over that in a short period of time.

Any kind of oral steroid is going to affect your liver values to certain extents, depending on the individual. Oral tren I would assume is extremely harsh on the liver.

It doesn't seem like you have a good grasp on the knowledge of what you are putting in your body right now. Id suggest you abort this cycle and read up on what you need to know. You are way behind dude.

Good luck to you man

 

[koolaidsups]

Any kind of oral steroid is going to affect your liver values to certain extents, depending on the individual. Oral tren I would assume is extremely harsh on the liver.

It doesn't seem like you have a good grasp on the knowledge of what you are putting in your body right now. Id suggest you abort this cycle and read up on what you need to know. You are way behind dude.

what he said.

 

[Harrydunn42]

You guys are essentially right. I started getting early signs of gyno, not too bad, no one probably notices besides me but at this point my boobs are growing faster than my muscles! LOL

Going to read up on how to combat the gyno and only going to take 1 of the compounds at a time to simply finding a gyno cure. Also if I am going to do juice for real should probably find a doctor or way to get my vitals (Kidney, Livers, etc.) checked on the reg.

The liver support in Animal Pak seems equal to any on the market.

 

[Harrydunn42]

Thanks for the advice, Maintainence man. Do you think that protocol (raloxifine) would work for fina-induced gyno (progesterone/prolactin)??

Thanks bro. Really helps !