First Cycle...Help.

[crazybaked]

Hey bro, everybody reacts different to sides and AI's.. but I would run aromasin/exemestane @ 12.5mg EOD while on cycle.. have letro on hand just to be safe.. goodPCT for me is Nolva 40/20/20/20 and clomid 50/25/25/25.. good luck and enjoy the ride!

 

[NightRaidsONLY]

Thanks for the input crazybaked Ill look into those too. Gotta start somewhere tho, and Im gonna keep it simple. Take this first cycle with as little variables as possible. Hoping to get some decent gains from this first one, then Ill have a base of knowledge, and can expand from there, ya know. Thanks for checkin this thread bud. Be easy.

 

[Atomsk]

right now i would just diet and maybe get down to 10% BF. THEN start a cycle of JUST TEST and MAYBE an oral such as Dbol. Goodluck! make sure you have a good PCT!

 

[crazybaked]

Thanks for the input crazybaked Ill look into those too. Gotta start somewhere tho, and Im gonna keep it simple. Take this first cycle with as little variables as possible. Hoping to get some decent gains from this first one, then Ill have a base of knowledge, and can expand from there, ya know. Thanks for checkin this thread bud. Be easy.

That's what these forums are for.. and the fact that you're taking suggestions and open minded about things will get you further.. so many people jump into something they have no idea about and mess themselves up. Read and research till you're confident in your decision then stock up on gear, AI's and PCT then enjoy!!

 

[NightRaidsONLY]

Well said. Appreciate it. Got the gear. decided on Adex for on cycle, clomid and nolva afterwards. Going 5 weeks PCT. I like your pct suggestion...40/20/20/20/20 Nolva 50/25/25/25/25 Clomid. Sounds g2g. cycle is 400mg/wk test p. and .5mg/ED Adex for 8 weeks. Sounds like a good starter cycle. More to follow...Thanks again fellas.

 

[zgx]

Since you've never cycled before be aware of how the adex will affect you, you do not want to crash your estrogen. If you can start slowly with the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and take a lab 1 or 2 weeks down the road to see your levels that would be better. So I'd say take .5 EOD or E2D until lab UNLESS you begin to experience high estrogen symptoms (bloating, highly emotional, itchy/sore nipples). Some people don't even run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) during a T cycle, I think you need an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) regardless to keep E in check but too much of an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) will cause you to crash and that's worse than high E most of the time...I am on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and I crashed my E the other day for the first time, couldn't work out, felt like shit, bad mood, sore joints, tired as fuck. Just my 2 cents.

 

[ardbeg]

Am I the only one who sees a problem here? If you're going to be deployed, and awake for days at a time, how can you train? How can you eat enough or eat on a plan, even with a dietician? Have you told your dietician you're cycling? If you're not sleeping, you can't build muscle. The cycle will be a waste if you don't:

get enough sleep
train hard, and consistently (no, running around pointing guns, lights, and whatever at people is not training hard)
eat enough and eat correctly

Why not just wait until your life settles down a little? Why the rush? Sounds like you have plenty of good shit going on.

 

[NightRaidsONLY]

@ ZGX I gotcha. Duely noted. Ill look into it. Thank you.

@ ardbeg, I can assure you than my job overseas allows ample time for training and recovery/rest. And chow is readily available 4-5 times a day. As far as my life settling down, my job is a vicious cycle, with no end in sight. haha. Its what we do. When I mentioned the endless days of training, lack of sleep/food and intense work days, I am referring to life stateside (Training Cycle). Sorry for the confusion. Without a doubt, deployments are almost our vacation. Work takes place when it does, and we do what we do. We get to conduct the tasks we have trained for over the past year. Usually happens very quickly, and on irregular basis. The majority of people in the service use this time to play xbox, or use internet. The guys in my task force use it to go to the gym, go to shooting ranges, along with a couple things I cant mention. So again, sorry for the confusion. Rest assured my workout, rest and diet are squared away. Thanks for reading.

 

[crazybaked]

Sounds about like contract work for the government.. one of my bros from the gym does similar work and he's gone for 4-6 weeks then doesn't talk for a week after he gets back.. one of those don't ask don't tell situations..

 

[NightRaidsONLY]

Something lilke that. Im there a bit longer but sounds pretty close...bottom line. we do bad things to bad people.

 

[NightRaidsONLY]

Alright, Ive considered many opinions and heard a lot of good advice. Coupled with some more research, Im pretty sure this revised cycle plan is gonna be G2G for a first time thru. As I said before, at the very least, Ill gain some good experience, figure out what worked or didne work, and build a base of knowledge to expand on.

Test P 100mg/ml: 100mg/EOD Weeks 1-8 (400mg/week)
Adex: .5mg/EOD Weeks 1-8

PCT day 1:
Clomid 300mg (50mg tabs)
Nolva 40mg (20mg tabs)

PCT day 2-11:
Clomid 100mg/ED
Nolva 20mg/EOD

PCT Day 12-21:
Clomid 50mg/ED
Nolva 20mg/EOD

PCT Day 22-28:
Clomid 25mg/ED
Nolva 10mg/EOD

Ive also got a general outline of nutrition supplements together. Cant get too specific about the actual diet plan as far as food goes until I find out what they have to offer when I get there. But its usually the same menu every week.
Gold Standard Whey Protien: 96g/ED
Gold Standard Casein :24g/ED
Opti-Men Multi-Vitamin: 3 tabs/ED
Fish Oil :1290mg/900 mg Omega-/3 ED
HIgh potentcey B-Complex ED
Vitamin C: 500mg/ED

 

[lntense]

Sucks they test for AAS...


Curious why you're running the clomid so high at the beginning? hopefully titanic doesnt come on tv, or you're going to be weeping like a baby

 

[NightRaidsONLY]

HAHA..yeah I have had a couple guys tell me to hit the clomid hard on day one. then taper down to normal dosage. I figure 50mg-100mg is normal range so I hit it hard 3 days after last pin. Then roughly 3 weeks at a normal dosage, then taper off as my body start to recover the last week of PCT. You think too high? Always open to more suggestions. Maybe 200mg on day 1 is enough to still hit hard, but nothing rediculous.

 

[NightRaidsONLY]

OKAY...This just in..the opportunity for a Danabol (Oral) kicker has just presented itself for an undeniable cost ($0) from a good friend. He gave me 25 50mg tabs. Hmm...temptations! Thoughts? I know the right answer is test only for 1st cycle. But also the temptation of that good kicker is pretty high. I also know that provided my cycle is only 8 weeks, at 400mg Test P per week, this could increase gains substantially. Something like 40mg/ED for week 1-4. And I know the right answer is probably to save them for another cycle down the road...Im torn. Dont want to get greedy...ok..well maybe a little. Thoughts?

 

[NightRaidsONLY]

Ive read a lot about not kickstarting Test P with DBOL because its already a short ester. Some say its pointless. The two start wrking at about the same time...Some say it will still help increase sze and strength gains. Some say all it does is increase water retention. So it looks like the cons may be outweighing the pros. But as I said before, its free. and I have it on hand. So I can hang on to it for another cycle in the future, or give it the good ol' college try this time around. What do you guys think? And as far as future cycles go, Im not going to be using the longer ester test E or C as I stated before, shorter ester works better for my application. I gotta feeling my buddy was at this same crossroads, as we both are in the same profession. Chances are he bought the dbol BEFORE looking into the correlation between the two. Well guys, any input is valued...

 

[NightRaidsONLY]

Just a quick two cents brothers...Anyone. A second opinion from someone on using this dbol I got or not. Drop me a quick line fellas. Oh and if any of you are currently using safemail right now drop me a pm and ill get ur addy to talk about some more "secure" issues.