First cycle - I would be grateful for all the help I could get!!!

[Wheyson]

I have been working out on a on and off basis for the last 10years, and decided now to take the plunge into AAS.
The cycle I am gonna start looks like this:

Week 1-6)
- Dianabol 40mg/day
- TE injections (500mg/week)
- Arimidex ½-1tabs/day (0.5mg-1mg/day)

Week 7-12)
- TE injections only (500mg/week)
- Arimidex ½-1tabs/day (0.5mg-1mg/day)

Week 13-14)
Nothing (if I feel sore nipples, I start Aromasin)

Week 15-18
PCT consisting of
- Aromasin 12.5mg/day
- Nolvadex 20mg/day
- Clomid 50mg/day

Lots of fiber during the cycle, to make sure that excess estrogen gets bound up and rid off.
ZMA/Tribulus/Milk Thristle, and LOTS OF WATER!

Now I have a couple of questions, and would appreciate all the input/feedback/comments/advices from you guys!

1) Should I take 1single injection of 2ml TE (250mg/ml) or rather divide it into 2times over the week (like Monday and Thursday)? Does it matter at all?

2) What size/gauge/color needle?

3) I am worrying about the possibilities of gyno/bitch-tits. I am taking Adex (an AI) during my cycle to LOWER the estrogen-levels. And then later in my PCT I will switch over to Aromasin (AI) combined with 2 SERMs (Nolvadex and Clomid) that blocks the estrogen-receptors.
But why can´t I as well take Nolvadex and Clomid (blocking the estrogen-receptors) as well during my cycle? Is it because the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) will be sufficient enough during the cycle? It seems that Nolv/Clomid are only restricted to PCT, and I wonder why?

Should weeks 13-14 really be nill? No Aromatase inhibitor (AI), no SERMs at all? Why in that case? Wouldn´t the levels then just be building up?

4) If I would be getting gno/bitch-tits during my cycle, what would be recommended to do? Switch from Adex to Aromasin? Stop the cycle immediately? Nolvadex? Clomid? Letrozol? Combine all those or what?

5) If you would gyno/bitch-tits, and you start pumping the recommended AIs/SERMs (question 4), does that mean that you can reverse the process or will you be stuck with having boobs for the rest of your life?

Would appreciate if you guys could answer my questions.
Reading up on all this, it seems that combining Nolvadex and Adex reduces their effectiveness. On the other side you can quit Adex cold turkey, while you can´t do that with Aromasin. So maybe its better to take Adex during the cycle (½-1 tabs ed), and while on my PCT for 4weeks I switch over to Aromasin (12.5mg ED) since it has more compatibility with Nolvadex.
I just hope I wont be taking to much anti-estrogen compounds (Nolvadex/Clomid/Adex/Aromasin and get some weird effects.

 

[bushleaguechew]

Not bad overall. Some minor problems.

Too much Adex. Run .25mg every day or .5mg every other same (same thing due to long half life)
Instead of switching to aromasin, just taper off your Adex during the two weeks after your last pin. Don't bother with switching to aromasin as it takes time to build up and become effective.

Consider incorporating Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 250iu twice a week throughout your cycle to keep your boys going.

Split your test to pinning twice a week.

If gyno starts coming up during cycle, don't panic and start popping pills. Just up your Adex to .5mg a day and see how it responds after a few days. Problems still, come back to talk to us.


Edit: your wrong about the cold turkey quitting. Aromasin can be stopped cold. Adex and letro need to be tapered.

 

[3J]

1) Should I take 1single injection of 2ml TE (250mg/ml) or rather divide it into 2times over the week (like Monday and Thursday)? Does it matter at all?
it should be monday and thursday injections
2) What size/gauge/color needle?
3ml 23-25g..i use 23g
3) I am worrying about the possibilities of gyno/bitch-tits. I am taking Adex (an AI) during my cycle to LOWER the estrogen-levels. And then later in my PCT I will switch over to Aromasin (AI) combined with 2 SERMs (Nolvadex and clomid) that blocks the estrogen-receptors.
But why can´t I as well take Nolvadex and clomid (blocking the estrogen-receptors) as well during my cycle? Is it because the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) will be sufficient enough during the cycle? It seems that Nolv/clomid are only restricted to PCT, and I wonder why?
your overthinking it.. running adex at .25-.5mg a day will be more then enough to keep estrogen low.. unless your bodyfat is really high?? what are your stats? clomid and nolva should not be used on cycle.. nolva technically can be used but it does not reduce the amount of estrogen in your body, it just keeps it from binding
Should weeks 13-14 really be nill? No Aromatase inhibitor (AI), no SERMs at all? Why in that case? Wouldn´t the levels then just be building up?
you can continue your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) week 13 and 14...
4) If I would be getting gno/bitch-tits during my cycle, what would be recommended to do? Switch from Adex to Aromasin? Stop the cycle immediately? Nolvadex? clomid? Letrozol? Combine all those or what?
run high dosages of nolva.. 40mg ed.. and raise your adex to 1mg a day
5) If you would gyno/bitch-tits, and you start pumping the recommended AIs/SERMs (question 4), does that mean that you can reverse the process or will you be stuck with having boobs for the rest of your life?
usually you can reduce fresh gyno.. if you let it stay it becomes permanent

 

[3J]

also drop the dbol.. its your first cycle.. just run test


and make sure your diet is top notch.. get in the diet section and have your diet critiqued. or check out my website if your interested in hiring a professional..

3jsdiet.com

 

[Rumpy]

I agree with everything said above. Split test pins 2X per week. If your adex is in table form, cutting into 1/4 can be difficult, so you can take 1/2 a tab EOD or E3D. I think your dosage is a little high. Start low and increase it at the first sign of itchy/puffy nips. It's easy to spot and goes away fast if you increase the dosage a bit.

If you do run Dbol, I would drop the dosage on that as well. Start at 20mg for the first few days and go from there. I would probably go with 30 on gym days and 20 on off days. Take all of it at once pre-workout, and for off days take 10 in the morning and 10 early afternoon. Also add NAC and maybe ALA and Liv-52 for liver support. Milk Thistle is not enough, NAC is your friend. I would also limit it to 4 weeks rather than 6

 

[DreDay187]

I have been working out on a on and off basis for the last 10years, and decided now to take the plunge into AAS.
The cycle I am gonna start looks like this:

Week 1-6)
- Dianabol 40mg/day
- TE injections (500mg/week)
- Arimidex ½-1tabs/day (0.5mg-1mg/day)

Week 7-12)
- TE injections only (500mg/week)
- Arimidex ½-1tabs/day (0.5mg-1mg/day)

Week 13-14)
Nothing (if I feel sore nipples, I start Aromasin)

Week 15-18
PCT consisting of
- Aromasin 12.5mg/day
- Nolvadex 20mg/day
- Clomid 50mg/day

Lots of fiber during the cycle, to make sure that excess estrogen gets bound up and rid off.
ZMA/Tribulus/Milk Thristle, and LOTS OF WATER!

Now I have a couple of questions, and would appreciate all the input/feedback/comments/advices from you guys!

1) Should I take 1single injection of 2ml TE (250mg/ml) or rather divide it into 2times over the week (like Monday and Thursday)? Does it matter at all?

2) What size/gauge/color needle?

3) I am worrying about the possibilities of gyno/bitch-tits. I am taking Adex (an AI) during my cycle to LOWER the estrogen-levels. And then later in my PCT I will switch over to Aromasin (AI) combined with 2 SERMs (Nolvadex and Clomid) that blocks the estrogen-receptors.
But why can´t I as well take Nolvadex and Clomid (blocking the estrogen-receptors) as well during my cycle? Is it because the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) will be sufficient enough during the cycle? It seems that Nolv/Clomid are only restricted to PCT, and I wonder why?

Should weeks 13-14 really be nill? No Aromatase inhibitor (AI), no SERMs at all? Why in that case? Wouldn´t the levels then just be building up?

4) If I would be getting gno/bitch-tits during my cycle, what would be recommended to do? Switch from Adex to Aromasin? Stop the cycle immediately? Nolvadex? Clomid? Letrozol? Combine all those or what?

5) If you would gyno/bitch-tits, and you start pumping the recommended AIs/SERMs (question 4), does that mean that you can reverse the process or will you be stuck with having boobs for the rest of your life?

Would appreciate if you guys could answer my questions.
Reading up on all this, it seems that combining Nolvadex and Adex reduces their effectiveness. On the other side you can quit Adex cold turkey, while you can´t do that with Aromasin. So maybe its better to take Adex during the cycle (½-1 tabs ed), and while on my PCT for 4weeks I switch over to Aromasin (12.5mg ED) since it has more compatibility with Nolvadex.
I just hope I wont be taking to much anti-estrogen compounds (Nolvadex/Clomid/Adex/Aromasin and get some weird effects.

Everyone else answered your questions with great info so I won't repeat the same stuff but you're over thinking the fiber part IMO. On exogenous test you will aromatize more heavily than normal and no amount of fiber you'd realistically be taking would be able to "flush" estrogen out. That's what you have the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) for, to keep estrogen production in check.

Also ZMA and tribulus are a complete waste of money. Milk thistle won't do jack for your liver either. I would get NAC and run it at 1800-2400mg/day while running dbol and drop that down to 1200mg/day when you stop the dbol. NAC can be taken year round and is a great liver aid and has many many other great benefits.

 

[Wheyson]

Thanks all! Bushleaguechew, 3J, Rumpy and DreDay187!!!! Glad that I got so many comments and useful feedback!
I will go through my cycle once more and adjust what needs to be done.

I will start the cycle in a couple of days, so I don´t think I can get Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) in time! And on the other hand, this is my fist cycle (and not that much of an advance cycle either), so I guess it would still be alright if I skipped the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for this time? Could use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for my second cycle.
Shouldn´t cause any problems even without Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) on my first use with AAS, right?

I will get NAC! I am guessing you can get the NAC from any health-store as possible and that it doenst need to be from any fancy (MODERATORS: I hope you will NOT see this as source-posting and ban me? I have no intention of source posting, juut asking in general)

About the diet. I try to keep the protein high and stable over the day. Eat every 4 hour (shakes and meet). My carbohydrates are mostly limited to after workout (rice with peanu-sacue).
However, yesterday I bought 3kg of English Turkey fileets. Rich in protein, and tastes good! Was looking forward having turkey for lunch and dinner every day for a couple of weeks. But then I got thinking that I have heard that most turkeys are force-feed with estrogen, making the meet contain high amounts of estrogen. Is this just humbug or is there any level of truth in this?

 

[Wheyson]

Thanks bushleaguechew
A few follow up questions) If I would switch over to Aromasin (despite that it takes time for it to build up in the system), would that still be a bad thing? And if I would like to switch, how would I do the transition? Start taking Aromasin together with decreased levels of Adex during weeks 13-14 prior to the post cycle therapy (pct). And then for the PCT I stick with Aromasin and Nolvadex?
The reason I am interested in Aromasin, is because I really dont want to get bitch-tits, and also because IF I WOULD continue taking Adex during my PCT, it will compete with the Nolvadex and reduce both of their effectiveness. So it would be better to take Novladex together with Aromasin instead during PCT (Reference: Anthony Roberts - Difference Between Type-I and Type-II Aromatase Inhibitors, and The Oncologist, Vol. 9, No. 2, 126***8211;136, April 2004, Zilembo N., Noberasco C., Bajetta E., Martinetti A., Mariani L., Orefici S. Endocrinological and clinical evaluation of exemestane, a new steroidal aromatase inhibitor)


My stats are: 30years, 1.80, 72kg (planning to increase to 80kilo weight class over the upcoming years). Workout plan is 6days a week, 4x10 in most exercises.
Follow up questions to 3J) What about Clomid? I never ever really hear people taking that you should be taking Clomid, but nevertheless I see it as a recommendation in most cycles. Should I jsut stick with Nolvadec for my PCT (combined with Aromasin), or can I add Clomid as well?

I think I will start with the 50mg/day on dbol. Heard that 20-30mg/day wont give you any results/awareness.
I was planning to take the whole daily dosages (2pills, 2x25mg) together with breakfast, 1hr before the workout. The same on my gym-free days.

 

[Wheyson]

Would it just be better and simpler if I totally replaced Adex with Aromasin comeplteley? For both the cycle and during PCT?
Cycle - only Aromasin
PCT - Aromasin & Nolvadex

???