First Cycle - Need Affirmations (Pictures Included)

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AggressionWillNotStand

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Hello! First I will start by saying I have read all of the stickies and I have been reading about steroids and their pros/cons for the last couple of weeks, so I am not asking for your help without having tried to help myself first.

Stats:
23 Years Old
6'2"
200 Pounds

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I started training when I was 18 years old when I was at 230 pounds and 31% BF. As you can see from the pictures above I have made significant gains after years of learning how NOT to train. Now that I have gotten to the point where my diet and workout routine are right on check, I feel like it is a good time to do my first cycle since my gains have been coming slower and slower despite me changing routines and having my diet in check. In October I started a 3-month bulk which I added maybe 5 pounds of LBM and my calorie and protein intake were more than sufficient (I intentionally enjoyed the Holidays and the joyous food, so it was not the cleanest bulk). Since January I have been doing keto and have lost most of the fat I put on in the process of bulking. I am going to be doing keto for two more weeks until I get down to about 195ish pounds, then I want to start my cyle.

Goals:
Ideally, I would like to be at 210-215 pounds and 9-10% BF. I am not sure where I am at now, but I would guess around 13-14% BF, but you can judge from the pictures yourself.

Proposed Cycle:
wk 1-4 Dianabol 40mg
wk 1-15 Testosterone enanthate 500mg
wk 3-14 deca durabolin 200-400mg (300mg?)
wk 6-14 Anavar 20-40mg

PCT:
Day1 300mg clomid + 20mg Nolvadex
Day 2-11 100mg clomid + 20mg Nolvadex
Day12-21 50mg clomid + 20mg Nolvadex

After browsing a couple different forums and seeing what other people with similar stats did for their first cycle, I concluded that the cycle above (direct copy & paste from Newbie thread) would best suit me and my goals. However I do not know if the dosages are where they should be so I am asking all of you pros what I can change or what I need to do to make sure I do this right the first time! I have also read that gains significantly decrease after about week 8 on a cycle, so is 15 weeks of test really necessary? I feel like maybe a 10-12 week cycle would be best for a first cycle? Thanks for any help!
 
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Best for a first cycle is test only, could kickstart with dbol if you really want. Don't run deca for a first cycle.

You definitely did more research than most people do so props to you for that.

Here's what i'd do if i were you

Week 1-12 Test e 500mg ew(split into two pins)
Week 1-4 Dbol 50mg ed

Wait 16 days after last pin of test to start PCT

PCT
Day1 300mg clomid + 20mg Nolvadex
Day 2-11 100mg clomid + 20mg Nolvadex
Day12-21 50mg clomid + 20mg Nolvadex

If your training, diet and rest is where it should be you WILL NOT be disappointed with this cycle.
 
thades said:
Best for a first cycle is test only, could kickstart with dbol if you really want. Don't run deca for a first cycle.

You definitely did more research than most people do so props to you for that.

Here's what i'd do if i were you

Week 1-12 Test e 500mg ew(split into two pins)
Week 1-4 Dbol 50mg ed

Wait 16 days after last pin of test to start PCT

PCT
Day1 300mg clomid + 20mg Nolvadex
Day 2-11 100mg clomid + 20mg Nolvadex
Day12-21 50mg clomid + 20mg Nolvadex

If your training, diet and rest is where it should be you WILL NOT be disappointed with this cycle.
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Okay thanks for your input. To be honest your recommendation is almost exactly what I thought most users would say. I thought my "proposed cycle" may have been a little too aggressive for a first-timer.

EDIT:

I think I might also be prone to gyno (slightly puffy nipples sometimes as shown in picture). Should I consider implementing an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) like Wk1-14 0.6mg e3d (2X a week) letro?
 
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AggressionWillNotStand said:
Okay thanks for your input. To be honest your recommendation is almost exactly what I thought most users would say. I thought my "proposed cycle" may have been a little too aggressive for a first-timer.
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It's only because if you have any sides, then you won't know which one is causing the problems if you're running multiple new compounds. If you run test only, if you get sides then you'll know it's the test. If you don't then, you'll know you're fine on it, then next time you can add a new compound (ie: deca), if you have sides, you'll know it's the deca.

Also, with deca your'e going to need to take caber for prolactin and you should first get dialed in and learn how you respond to just an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and control your E2. So, you'll need more research to do as well. Might as well keep it simple and just start with test only. Or dbol kick start if you have to. Personally I wouldn't kick start it and be running two new compounds at once but, lot of people have/do, but that's just me. I started my second cycle of NPP and test, and want to run dbol but, since it's my first time using NPP. I didn't want to start dbol at the same time and not know if I get sides where it came from, so I started the NPP and waiting about a month, will get a blood test, if everything looks good then I'll start the dbol. Like I said, most don't do that, many do kickstart with dbol I chose not to but, that's just me.
 
Yes, forgot to add that, definitely run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) if you are prone ot gyno. Start some adex at .25mg eod and go from there depends on the sides.
 
thades said:
Yes, forgot to add that, definitely run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) if you are prone ot gyno. Start some adex at .25mg eod and go from there depends on the sides.
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Mate can I ask a no homo question? Whenever I see other dudes without their shirts on their nipples always seem hard (not that I see any except at the beach etc lol) fuck this sounds homo. But anyway I've noticed recently that my nipple area is often soft and puffy, as opposed to hard etc. But after I've had a shower etc and walk around without my shirt on for a while, my nipples go hard. I just wish they stayed hard permanently because I don't ever want to take my shirt off anymore. It's so fucking annoying and I'm really self conscious about it. Again bro, I stress the no homo part.
 
Sharmacus said:
Mate can I ask a no homo question? Whenever I see other dudes without their shirts on their nipples always seem hard (not that I see any except at the beach etc lol) fuck this sounds homo. But anyway I've noticed recently that my nipple area is often soft and puffy, as opposed to hard etc. But after I've had a shower etc and walk around without my shirt on for a while, my nipples go hard. I just wish they stayed hard permanently because I don't ever want to take my shirt off anymore. It's so fucking annoying and I'm really self conscious about it. Again bro, I stress the no homo part.
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Haha, so what was your question other than you asking him if you could ask a "no homo" question?
 
Normally if nipples start to feel weird somehow in cycle, this means something is going on there
Also , if you notice somebodies nipples as weird that mean the same
 
Dr.Phoenix said:
Normally if nipples start to feel weird somehow in cycle, this means something is going on there
Also , if you notice somebodies nipples as weird that mean the same
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Well should male nipples be hard all the time, and never be soft or puffy? How do you know it's not just fat build up around the chest or nipple area?
 
3ct said:
It's only because if you have any sides, then you won't know which one is causing the problems if you're running multiple new compounds. If you run test only, if you get sides then you'll know it's the test. If you don't then, you'll know you're fine on it, then next time you can add a new compound (ie: deca), if you have sides, you'll know it's the deca.

Also, with deca your'e going to need to take caber for prolactin and you should first get dialed in and learn how you respond to just an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and control your E2. So, you'll need more research to do as well. Might as well keep it simple and just start with test only. Or dbol kick start if you have to. Personally I wouldn't kick start it and be running two new compounds at once but, lot of people have/do, but that's just me. I started my second cycle of NPP and test, and want to run dbol but, since it's my first time using NPP. I didn't want to start dbol at the same time and not know if I get sides where it came from, so I started the NPP and waiting about a month, will get a blood test, if everything looks good then I'll start the dbol. Like I said, most don't do that, many do kickstart with dbol I chose not to but, that's just me.
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^^I agree^^ Plus, you should take Anastrozole @0.5mgs/EOD, from your first pin all the way till you start your post cycle therapy (pct). It will decrease the water retention, gyno, etc.
 
Okay so here is what it looks like I will be running now that I have found everything I need and I know they are available to buy as long as I don't get any objections from you. I have switched from 500mg to 600mg test due mainly to the fact that's what is available to me, and I really don't mind that little extra potency. I also chose to go with a 10-week cycle due to my some scheduling issues a few months from now. Let me know what you think!

Proposed Cycle:
wk 1-10 Testosterone enanthate 600mg
Arimidex 0.5mg EOD throughout cycle

PCT:
Day1 300mg clomid + 20mg Nolvadex
Day 2-11 100mg clomid + 20mg Nolvadex
Day12-21 50mg clomid + 20mg Nolvadex
 
If you can, I'd drag that cycle out to at least 12 weeks. It sucks to end it when it's finally kicked in full force due to the long ester. You also might get away with .25mg of adex EOD, but that would be based on how your body reacts to the test.

My .02c :)
 
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