Mad- scientist
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Honestly no joke I'm going to watch a Zyzz video right now just for shits and giggles. You have successfully entertained me for the next 10 minutes.
First cycle, need your guys's blessing on this plan.
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OnlyTheGreat
on my way
Dude, listen to these guys, they know what they're talking about. You say you're fine with potentially being shut down and on trt for the rest of your life, but are you really?
You see, now it all makes sense. But what if someday in the future you meet a gorgeous girl and you fall head over heels for her. You love her, cherish her and will do everything you can to please her. Then boom, she wants kids. But because you were an idiot at 18, you are unable to have them. Can you imagine what damage that will do to your relationship? Are you willing to throw all that away for a few pounds of muscle that you could have gotten naturally within a year?
You have also made no mention of blood tests. Do you even know when to get them and what to look for? Do you also know that if you end up in trouble and have to confess to your doctor that you have used gear, you may never be able to get medical insurance? (depending on what country you live in). Do you know if you are predisposed to any heart condition or blood pressure? There are a lot of things to consider before doing a cycle.
When I say listen to these people, I mean it. I started my first cycle at 20 and even tho I am competing, I wish I had waited longer. Only after a year of natural training at 18, i was able to deadlift 180kg at 64kg bodyweight. I was able to squat 120kg and if I had only kept training naturally I would have set records in powerlifting. Because of my impatience with gear, I am now 25 with a busted shoulder and fucked knees. I can mask it with all the deca I want, but one day when I'm older it's gonna bite me in the ass. I'm not even sure if I will be able to have kids and I know my girlfriend damn sure wants them.
Please rethink this. There is plenty of time. I'm not saying what happened to me is going to happen to you, but do you really wanna take the chance?
You have also made no mention of your weight, lifting stats or bodyfat. What is your diet like now? You say you are going to have 4000cal when test kicks in at week 6, but you do know that test e reaches its peak around week 3, right? Also, will you keep eating at 4000cal after or just lose all the gains?
And btw, do more research. Supra-physiological doses of testosterone actually reduces collagen synthesis by around 80%, so you are more prone to injury. I only wish I knew that sooner.
Best of luck, just don't go into this thinking it will only be one cycle or nothing will happen to you. The potential for things to go balls-up is always there.
You see, now it all makes sense. But what if someday in the future you meet a gorgeous girl and you fall head over heels for her. You love her, cherish her and will do everything you can to please her. Then boom, she wants kids. But because you were an idiot at 18, you are unable to have them. Can you imagine what damage that will do to your relationship? Are you willing to throw all that away for a few pounds of muscle that you could have gotten naturally within a year?
You have also made no mention of blood tests. Do you even know when to get them and what to look for? Do you also know that if you end up in trouble and have to confess to your doctor that you have used gear, you may never be able to get medical insurance? (depending on what country you live in). Do you know if you are predisposed to any heart condition or blood pressure? There are a lot of things to consider before doing a cycle.
When I say listen to these people, I mean it. I started my first cycle at 20 and even tho I am competing, I wish I had waited longer. Only after a year of natural training at 18, i was able to deadlift 180kg at 64kg bodyweight. I was able to squat 120kg and if I had only kept training naturally I would have set records in powerlifting. Because of my impatience with gear, I am now 25 with a busted shoulder and fucked knees. I can mask it with all the deca I want, but one day when I'm older it's gonna bite me in the ass. I'm not even sure if I will be able to have kids and I know my girlfriend damn sure wants them.
Please rethink this. There is plenty of time. I'm not saying what happened to me is going to happen to you, but do you really wanna take the chance?
You have also made no mention of your weight, lifting stats or bodyfat. What is your diet like now? You say you are going to have 4000cal when test kicks in at week 6, but you do know that test e reaches its peak around week 3, right? Also, will you keep eating at 4000cal after or just lose all the gains?
And btw, do more research. Supra-physiological doses of testosterone actually reduces collagen synthesis by around 80%, so you are more prone to injury. I only wish I knew that sooner.
Best of luck, just don't go into this thinking it will only be one cycle or nothing will happen to you. The potential for things to go balls-up is always there.
Megatron28
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What are your stats? Height? Weight? Body fat %?
How much do you bench, squat and deadlift?
CPL_SAiKO
New member
young, reckless and referred to zyzz.. if you wanna battle erectile disfunction, gyno, increased risk in injury with gear and mess with your hormones up at 18, that's on you. if you're so well read and have researched all this then why are you still asking us questions? apparently you know it all. do you really wanna be a pin cushion for 60 years of your life?
also, diet should be year around! not just when test kicks in at "6" weeks (3-4 peaks)
Roush
I am banned!
Zyzz on the left is what OP looks like now,, and he thinks by doing gear he will look like the Zyzz on the right.. And he, like zyzz, is willing to sell his soul/health to the devil to do it.
Statements like - I don't care if I'm 18 and will be on TRT for the rest of my life, prove it.. really, you wanna have to live near a hospital for the rest of your life cause you'll have to go get hooked up to a machine for 2 hours at a time so they can remove your excess red blood cells so that you don't kill over dead of a stroke or heart attack.
FYI-- the real natural peak of a mans life comes in his mid 30s,, you wanna spend it in bad health, alone, with no wife, no kids and no friends cause you sold yourself out as a punk 18 year old kid
Billegitimate
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Remember when you were 6 and you didn't like girls? Remember when you were 12 and you thought stuff was cool that you'd laugh at today? That's how we're looking at 18. You're there so you don't see it.
When 25 year old me looks at 18 year old me I see a buffoon. And I was pretty mature for that age, living on my own and paying for everything. Uncommon these days.
35 year old me laughs at 25 year old me. Naive, inexperienced know it all kid.
45 year old me realized 35 year old me was still doing stupid shit.
In seven years, 55 year old me will laugh at 48 year old me trying to talk sense into you.
Here's how you know you're ready to mess with this stuff:
1) You are 100% on your own. No mom and dad paying for car insurance or health insurance or ANYTHING!
2) You've been training for 5+ years, and in spite of trying everything you're not progressing.
3). You realize "try everything" means you pay for stuff. You're willing to pay for steroids, instead pay for some coaching. Hire 3j, go to some workshops (Dan John comes to mind as good for body and mind) and get training partners who can work with you and push you.
You were right, you're pursuing a shortcut. Us older guys have tried enough shortcuts to have the experience of the "shortcut" that had some bad consequences.
And FWIW, I could bench 300, squat 350 and dead 375 at 18 after two hard years of work. I didn't do much from then until 40, picked it back up, and still natural I was benching 325, squatting 375, deadlifting 445. Turns out that was with total T of 375 so you can be pretty strong with fairly low levels.
At 45 I went on TRT. My numbers are better, but I've put in a lot of work over the last 8 years.
Good luck.
When 25 year old me looks at 18 year old me I see a buffoon. And I was pretty mature for that age, living on my own and paying for everything. Uncommon these days.
35 year old me laughs at 25 year old me. Naive, inexperienced know it all kid.
45 year old me realized 35 year old me was still doing stupid shit.
In seven years, 55 year old me will laugh at 48 year old me trying to talk sense into you.
Here's how you know you're ready to mess with this stuff:
1) You are 100% on your own. No mom and dad paying for car insurance or health insurance or ANYTHING!
2) You've been training for 5+ years, and in spite of trying everything you're not progressing.
3). You realize "try everything" means you pay for stuff. You're willing to pay for steroids, instead pay for some coaching. Hire 3j, go to some workshops (Dan John comes to mind as good for body and mind) and get training partners who can work with you and push you.
You were right, you're pursuing a shortcut. Us older guys have tried enough shortcuts to have the experience of the "shortcut" that had some bad consequences.
And FWIW, I could bench 300, squat 350 and dead 375 at 18 after two hard years of work. I didn't do much from then until 40, picked it back up, and still natural I was benching 325, squatting 375, deadlifting 445. Turns out that was with total T of 375 so you can be pretty strong with fairly low levels.
At 45 I went on TRT. My numbers are better, but I've put in a lot of work over the last 8 years.
Good luck.
Ghost124
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I stopped reading at this point. How did I know this was one of those teenage douches that follows Zyzzz hahahaha
HEY OP YOU WANT TO BE ASHTETIC BRAH?????
YOU MIRIN BRAH??????
DO YOU BREAK OUT IN A STUPID DANCE IN PUBLIC PLACES EVERY TIME SOME HOUSE/TECHNO MUSIC COMES ON BRAH?????
Based on the OP responses I already see he has the douche bag ego based on his responses, which is the first and foremost trait you need to develop to be in the Zyzz cult. It's like becoming a Christian and accepting Jesus as your lord and savior.
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The first paragraph is pretty accurate.
Everyone who is 40+ would benefit from TRT anyway, what's so bad with having to go on it when I'm 30?
You guys are so inconsistent in why starting now is a bad idea. I already said that I don't care about TRT or growth plates fusing which are the only two risks with starting this young.
Please back up everything you said about red blood cells because to be honest that's a bunch of crap and the only proven risks of starting at 18 are the two things I mentioned above. Everything else is pure speculation with no basis.
The tendon risk factor was the only good point I've come across in this two page cesspool of bullshit theories.
Ghost124
New member
I don't know even know to reply to this teenager. Kid, please do more research. There are far more risks than just growth plates fusing and being on TrT. And the red blood cell thing is real. Ask anyone here, they have to donate blood on the regular to lower their RBC and pletelet count. You will have to do that the rest of your life. Oh and red blood cell and platelets can't be done at once that's two separate appointments, and platelets take close to an hour and a half. You have to get this done regularly. Well you don't have to, but it's a good idea so you won't have a stroke or heart attack and drop dead in the middle of the gym while doing your 3rd set. Or worse, wake up with half your body paralyzed from the stroke.
And your statement overall clearly shows you have not got 1 clue about bloodwork(what do you think it's for!!!).
Also there are people here who have had heart attacks from high RBC or platelet count, how the fuck are you going to demand "proof"? Google it, and stop being a lazy douche.
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That's a risk factor for everyone, not just teens. I see fucking kids who are 22 and have been blasting and cruising on tren for 4 years and obviously they're still alive and in good health. There is no difference in RBC risk factors for an 18 year old compared to a 25.
So many people have started at 18 or even younger. Tons of people I've talked to. Even Arnold started at 15.
I already have my pre cycle blood work so I can compare it with my post cycle blood work and see if I make a recovery.
The reality of the situation is i will be doing 500mg of test e a week. One cycle for now. Do you REALLY think that such a small thing will cause such catastrophic harm for the rest of my life? Probably not. Probably fucking not.
Megatron28
Moderator
What are your stats? Height? Weight? Body fat %?
How much do you bench, squat and deadlift?
How much do you bench, squat and deadlift?
6'3" 175, but pretty lean. Probably 10-13%.
Bench : 225
Squat: Never max squatted, but can do 205 5x5.
Deadlift: 295 (pretty old though, definitely higher)
Megatron28
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You don't need AAS, you need to learn how to use a fork. AAS won't make you grow if you can't eat properly.
Being on AAS would motivate me to eat more since I'd want to be making the most out of it.
Megatron28
Moderator
That is bass-akwards.
Ghost124
New member
You do understand that at a young age, you can abuse the shit out of your body and feel fine right? Seriously, I have the same guys at my gym too who blast all year round. And they also do coke, ecstasy and drink lot of alcohol on the weekends. Just because they "look" healthy does not mean they are. Do you know exactly what is happening to their bodies? Are you their doctor and can see their kidney, liver and heart function??? Shoot people at 22 who smoke a pack of cigarettes a day look healthy as well, I guess cigarettes cause no big deal harm either. Truth is, these guys you see that blast tren at a young age(and probably do not have a damn clue what they are doing) are going to start dropping dead like flies once they hit 40. if not dead, the hospital will become a 2nd home to them for the rest of their lives(which probably will be in the early 60's)
And Arnold has the genetics of a god. Chances of you and him having the same genetics when it comes to gear is very unlikely.
But go ahead kid, screw your life away. It's not my job to save some douche bag know it all teenager. It seems like you have all figured out so why you asking us? Oh and you might want to add HcG into your cycle if you want any chance of having kids one day.
You were right and I was wrong, sorry for my stubborn ass. I just wanted a bodybuilder physique NOW instead of 7 years from now when it won't fucking matter since I won't be in uni.
But good talk.
Megatron28
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The first step is watching youtube videos on how to use a fork. Fork to plate. Fork to mouth. Repeat.
