first cycle questions

[snoot]

Hi guys I'm new to the forum, been doing my research and I'd love to hear your oppinions and expertise on my cycle plan. This will be my first ever cycle.

My stats -
Age - 20 years of age (don't bitch at me that I'm too young, the decision has been made)
Weight - 82 kg (180 pounds or something I think)
Height - 6 ft
Body fat - I'm guessing 9% as it was 10% about 9 months ago and I've been training hard + I have not got a bit of fat on me
Training regime - 4 times per week, normally 4 sets x 8 reps though sometimes 5x5 (plan on going for 5 a week, maybe 6 per week once I start my cycle)
Diet - high protein + carbs, roughly 3500 calories per day

Ok so I plan on using test enthanate along with nolva and clomid for 15 weeks (not including the post cycle therapy (pct) period)

week 1-15 - 500mg test enthanate per week split into 2x 250mg injections mondays + fridays
Week 16-20 - 50mg clomid per day

Also I will have some nolva on hand in case I develope gyno or other side effects

I'm wondering, is it nessicery to take an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) during your cycle even if you are not having any sides from the enthanate? Or can I just wait to see what happens then take it if nessicery. I'm guessing I can wait seeing as this is a pretty weak cycle.
I won't be doing this for at least 4 weeks probably about 6 weeks + havnt purchased my gear yet.
Please feel free to critisize anything you see fit apart from my age as I know the risks and have made the decision.

Oh and would their be any reason I couldn't add dbol into this cycle if when I come to the point of getting my gear I act on a whim and just do it?

I really need some opinions people so it will be very much appreciated ?
Thanks,
Snoot

 

[noobmuscle]

Hey Snoot. Welcome to Steroidology. Glad you have found us. This is a great place to get advice and learn from people who have done it more than we have. There is always someone on here that knows more than I do. As long as I stay humble, I can learn from them. Now on to this decision you have already made...

The first thing I see you may need to adjust is when you are starting post cycle therapy (pct). PCT should not start until the test has had time to clear the system. This means if you are running a 15 week cycle, PCT would start on week 17.

I also notice you have Nolva but you are not running it for post cycle therapy (pct). Run Nolva with your clomid. This is the PCT regimen of choice aroun here. Clomid 50/50/50/50 and Novla 40/40/20/20.

For on cycle support it is always a good idea to have an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) such as exestmine on hand for side effects. 12.5mg ED can control Estro related side effects pretty well. However, do not over use becuase a crached Estro is just as bad as a high one. We need estro. You are correct in assuming that you may not need it considering your current bodyfat and your reduced risk for gyno. It's still a good idea to have it on hand.

We always suggest a test only cycle for your first time. It is NOT A WEAK CYCLE however. I took a little offense to that. Test only cycles are the most successful and the easiest to maintain gains afterward.

Check in with 3J for your diet. Diet is much more important than gear will ever be, Just saying. Hope this helps. Good luck.

 

[dfresh88]

start post cycle therapy (pct) week 17

nolva+clomid is good

and you dont NEED an AI..only use if necessary IMO..good luck man

 

[SykotikTaj]

If it were me I'd push the friday pin to Thursday, instead of having an extra day wait during the week. Monday and Thursday pin if you can.

Nolva and clomid together for post cycle therapy (pct).

At the end of the day, your better off having too much for post cycle therapy (pct) and recovery then too little and developing problems. Always cover yourself more then needed, you never know bro.

Pretty much noobmuscle covered it all. Thats my 2cents anyway.

Good luck with your cycle, welcome to the board. Stick around, you have all the knowledge in the world at your fingertips champ.

 

[snoot]

Thanks guys that's the info I needed right there,
But I actuallly don't have any of my gear yet nor do I have any anti es, to be honest I was looking for the cheapest cycle possible because I want to be able to spend around 150-200 (can I price discuss here? Sorry if I cant_)on my cycle so I have the rest of my months wages to spend on the food I'm going to need.
I thought that myself about the dbol then I seen a well respected member of another forum saying that it would be ok to add it in. That's actually why I came here, I'm a member of another forum with a steroid sub forum but I felt I'd be much better coming here for a second opinion

So guys, I know I really should be prepared and be safe ect, but what is the cheapest way of doing this with test e? I don't make very much money but I don't want to fuck it up either, 200 pound is my absolute limit for the supplies, leaving me with money for extra food for the month.

Thanks again for the replys

Ps is there a mobile version of this forum?

 

[snoot]

Can anyone tell me how to use nolva to reverse gyno, I cannot afford adex or anything along those lines so as far as I know nolva is my best bet

 

[noobmuscle]

Save your money until you can get the supplies you need. No one said you had start in 6 weeks. Wait 12. Buy a little at a time. I start purchasing for my next cycle during my post cycle. A little at a time. A bottle here, a bottle there. Take your time and get what you need.

 

[snoot]

If I were running a more complicated cycle I would wait and buy armidex but I've really been looking forward to this and I don't think it is nessicery to go that far while just using test e. I doubt I will even get gyno with mylow bf anyways the nolva will only be a precaution that I don't even plan to use.

 

[josh223]

Well you can definately get gear for that price but maybe save up another 100 and make sure you have ALL AI's, PCT and everything else you need before you start.

3000 surgery for gynocomatsia is a lot more expensive than a $40-80 worth of nolvadex and arimidex

 

[josh223]

If I were running a more complicated cycle I would wait and buy armidex but I've really been looking forward to this and I don't think it is nessicery to go that far while just using test e. I doubt I will even get gyno with mylow bf anyways the nolva will only be a precaution that I don't even plan to use.

having low BF has nothing to do with gyno. Gyno is associated with high levels of female hormones (estradiol, progesterone, estrogen) etc

when you take steroids your estrogen levels WILL RAISE reguardless if you are 1% or 30% body fat.

DO NOT do steroids if you are not planning on having arimidex/letrozole on hand, or if you dont have the money for pct....

 

[josh223]

Can anyone tell me how to use nolva to reverse gyno, I cannot afford adex or anything along those lines so as far as I know nolva is my best bet

If you cannot afford arimidex, you should not be doing steroids.

by the way find another source, many have arimidex or aromasin or letrozole for very cheap. less than $40 for a whole cycles worth.

 

[josh223]

Thanks guys that's the info I needed right there,
But I actuallly don't have any of my gear yet nor do I have any anti es, to be honest I was looking for the cheapest cycle possible because I want to be able to spend around 150-200 (can I price discuss here? Sorry if I cant_)on my cycle so I have the rest of my months wages to spend on the food I'm going to need.
I thought that myself about the dbol then I seen a well respected member of another forum saying that it would be ok to add it in. That's actually why I came here, I'm a member of another forum with a steroid sub forum but I felt I'd be much better coming here for a second opinion

So guys, I know I really should be prepared and be safe ect, but what is the cheapest way of doing this with test e? I don't make very much money but I don't want to fuck it up either, 200 pound is my absolute limit for the supplies, leaving me with money for extra food for the month.

Thanks again for the replys

Ps is there a mobile version of this forum?

I understand how you feel about trying to not have to buy expensive stuff like arimidex. But please do whatever you have to to get it, try RUI or some other research websites for tamoxifen/clomid/anastrazole its much cheaper.

Also if you are trying to save money why run a 15 week cycle? wouldn't 10-12 weeks be much cheaper? you will still see great results with a 12 weeker.

also you can add in dbol whenever you want. as long as your not in pct lol
dbol is known to be very estrogenic so make sure you have anastrazole/letro/aromasin on hand if you do run it.
Dbol is goodfor example like 30mg every day for first 4-6 weeks

 

[Shrugs]

Please dont think that low BF keeps you from getting gyno. I am always around 7-8%BF and will have gyno by week 2 or 3 on just 500mgs of test a week if not using an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Grab some aromasin from rui and be safe

 

[snoot]

Is this rui website deffo legit? I have seen the same stuff other places for 4 or 5x as much at the cheapest?
Are we allowed to discuss pricing and sources on this forum?

 

[Jack Torsbear4]

having low BF has nothing to do with gyno. Gyno is associated with high levels of female hormones (estradiol, progesterone, estrogen) etc

when you take steroids your estrogen levels WILL RAISE reguardless if you are 1% or 30% body fat.

DO NOT do steroids if you are not planning on having arimidex/letrozole on hand, or if you dont have the money for pct....

thats not what he said. you can sometimes remove gyno with low bf. the fatty tissue in the breast.. getting gyno yes your right can happen to anyone.