first cycle test e/var advice

[destroyer_of_hipsters]

hey long time lurker here

ive been lifting hardcore for 3 going on 4 years now im 20 years old and will be 21 in september, ive managed to go from 245lbs to 170, also 5'9

right now i am at 177 with an estimate of 12 - 13% bf

ive been thinking about my first cycle for a long time now and have decided that im going to run test e at 400mg/wk for 10 weeks and Anavar (var) 4 - 10 at 80 - 100

my main concern with taking test is the bloat, i find myself to be very prone to bloating and dont want to hold a bunch of water, im hoping the Anavar (var) will counter balance this? i here that if diet is in check that i shouldn't worry to much about the bloat

the reason im taking Anavar (var) is because of the fat burning properties it holds and im hoping that if i eat 2500 calories a day and carb cycle that itll help me get to my goal of sub 10% bf

im also not to sure on what to do with pct....

 

[destroyer_of_hipsters]

bumpidy bump bump bump

 

[SmilingBob]

The general advice given (wise advice at that) is stick to a test only first cycle. Thats after they tell you to wait a few years before jumping in.

Since test will aromatize(sp?) you will hold more water than normal. 400mg/week isnt that heavy so you could take a low dose Aromatase inhibitor (AI) (arimidex, etc) during the 10 weeks to reduce your bloat. Estrogen has been shown to help with gains, so this is a debatable topic. To really slow it down, I would try and cut back on your sodium intake. And besides, most of that bloat goes away as you begin entering PCT.

Oh yea and for PCT a standard nolva and or clomid should do the trick. There is plenty of info on that within the stickies.

 

[destroyer_of_hipsters]

I here taking anti e's to rid the bloat wont provide good gains, and to be honest im not looking to blow up, mostly just to maintain what i have while on caloric deficit and perhaps put on lets say 10 lbs of mass

 

[rowdybrad]

At 177, you should spend that money to get 3J to do your diet. You can put on a nice bit of muscle naturally before adding in the AAS.

 

[crazyfmike]

At 177, you should spend that money to get 3J to do your diet. You can put on a nice bit of muscle naturally before adding in the AAS.

100% agreement!

 

[destroyer_of_hipsters]

At 177, you should spend that money to get 3J to do your diet. You can put on a nice bit of muscle naturally before adding in the AAS.

I find that my body looks best in the 168 - 175 weight range naturally, i cant seem to pass 180 without putting on that extra bf no matter how in check my macros are. I lift purely for aesthetics, plus i have a smaller frame and naturally huge legs from being overweight so i would just look silly

 

[destroyer_of_hipsters]

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in the first pic im at 175ish, with some bad lighting on the shoulders

in the second one im 170

sorry i dont have any pics of my flexing, my phone ended up getting stolen and this is all i had on the computer :/

 

[rowdybrad]

I'm not trying to be harsh bro, but you are still on the small side. I would have waited if it was not for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), which I have to be on.

I am serious, get with 3J and you could probably get well over 180 with little or no BF increase. It takes some time and you're still very young. When I was in high school I couldn't get over 180 either. Now, even before cycle started, I don't think I could even get under 200 pounds. My lbm is over 180 and over 30 pounds more than in high school.

You have a good start and the lean-ness, but too soon to do AAS. Props on not going the "oral only" route!

 

[brother bundy]

hey long time lurker here

ive been lifting hardcore for 3 going on 4 years now im 20 years old and will be 21 in september, ive managed to go from 245lbs to 170, also 5'9

right now i am at 177 with an estimate of 12 - 13% bf

ive been thinking about my first cycle for a long time now and have decided that im going to run test e at 400mg/wk for 10 weeks and var 4 - 10 at 80 - 100

my main concern with taking test is the bloat, i find myself to be very prone to bloating and dont want to hold a bunch of water, im hoping the var will counter balance this? i here that if diet is in check that i shouldn't worry to much about the bloat

the reason im taking var is because of the fat burning properties it holds and im hoping that if i eat 2500 calories a day and carb cycle that itll help me get to my goal of sub 10% bf

im also not to sure on what to do with pct....

get to the point were u can design your own cycle

 

[destroyer_of_hipsters]

get to the point were u can design your own cycle

i dont think i quite understand... but


test e at 400mg/wk for 10 weeks and var 4 - 10 at 80 - 100mg

 

[brother bundy]

i dont think i quite understand... but


test e at 400mg/wk for 10 weeks and var 4 - 10 at 80 - 100mg

no bro u need to do more research before u cycle where is the post cycle therapy (pct) and ai..Like I said get to the point were u can design a nice well planned out cycle.You may have to study a little sorry for the inconvenience

 

[destroyer_of_hipsters]

no bro u need to do more research before u cycle where is the post cycle therapy (pct) and ai..Like I said get to the point were u can design a nice well planned out cycle.You may have to study a little sorry for the inconvenience

its not like im jumping on the cycle tomorow, obviously im going to do my research on how to properly post cycle therapy (pct), and i understand that arimidex is used to reduce water retention but also makes gains shitty from what ive heard ... im just looking for some insight is all

 

[brother bundy]

its not like im jumping on the cycle tomorow, obviously im going to do my research on how to properly pct, and i understand that arimidex is used to reduce water retention but also makes gains shitty from what ive heard ... im just looking for some insight is all

Arimidex is a aromatase inhibitor it will help with water retention BP and estro control u wanna have this on hand always when u run test.The shitty gains part is bs it keeps some water weight away thats all..do more research bro dont expect someone else to do your homework learn about all these different compounds in and out it not that hard

 

[BigFella]

Hi Destroyer. Big congrats on losing 70lbs. You're looking great. Im with the guys above - before you go the AAS route make sure you hit your peak naturally. I get the impression you could get obsessive about this - anyone who has been ble to lose that much weight could be. It wouldn't be a good idea to get hooked on the AAS thang at your age. (There - I said it.) I think you'd be more impressed with yourself if, in a year or two, you could look at yourself with an extra 60 lbs of muscle and say "Yep - and I did it all myself."

Do diet, get a personal trainer (yes, even at age 20!) and get as far as you can naturally. You'll be wanting those balls to still be functioning in the future.