First Cycle

[JDubb]

Leading upto summer and considering trying at cycle.. At first i was thinking winstrol only for the fact that i want get a bit leaner. After researching I've found that to be a bad idea. So now considering

test E - weeks 1-12 at 300mg per week
Winstrol - weeks 5- 12 at 50mg per day (inject)
liquidex - weeks 1 -12 at .25mg per day
LiquiNolva - weeks 14 - 18 at 40mg ED for 2 weeks the second 2 weeks 20mg ED.

the liquidex throughout the cycle is mainly because I'm paranoid about gyno and water retention..

Thoughts??

 

[MrMitcheyBoy]

Yer, get rid of the Winstrol (winny), whats your stats???

 

[JDubb]

5'10, 190lbs , about 12 to 15% bf.. Been training for a few years and diet is pretty strict.. i was just thinking about Winstrol (winny) to loose bf is all.

 

[JDubb]

Is Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) needed??

 

[rikta]

300 a week is way too low

 

[JDubb]

if i up the dosage will i get water a lot of water retention?

 

[MrMitcheyBoy]

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/153723-300mg-vs-600mg-testosterone.html 300 is low but read this, it's got some good info. how old are you?

 

[JDubb]

so it pretty much says the more mgs the better for muscle growth and fat lose but potentially more side effects.. good read. so its best to separate your dose to twice a week. 21yo

 

[justin h]

You can control alot of water with your diet. Rid all sugars (accept naturall) and LOWER your SODIUM intake.
Run 5-600mg/week for sure
I'd supplement anavar for the winnie since/if your not experienced with cycling. And really your first cycle should just be test only
I prefer aromasin or arimidex for your ai
nolva/clomid for pct
and read the stickys

 

[MrMitcheyBoy]

You can control alot of water with your diet. Rid all sugars (accept naturall) and LOWER your SODIUM intake.
Run 5-600mg/week for sure
I'd supplement anavar for the winnie since/if your not experienced with cycling. And really your first cycle should just be test only
I prefer aromasin or arimidex for your ai
nolva/clomid for pct
and read the stickys

HAHA might aswell get "READ THE STICKY'S" under your name instead of junior bodybuilder, ay Justin.

 

[Ocdude]

HAHA might aswell get "READ THE STICKY'S" under your name instead of junior bodybuilder, ay Justin.

Imma start a word doc with that and a link to all the pertinent stickies.... Copy Paste! I won't even go into the probably a bit young schpiel.

JDubb, Test E only @500-600 per week, bro. Its not a miracle drug, you still have to put effort into reaching your goals. If you're not too concerned with gaining a lot of muscle mass.... Just ramp up your cardio, lower your calories and burn the fat first. Then start your cycle, gain some real mass and eat like a pro. To get the most out of a cycle, you need to pick one or the other (Bulk or cut).

 

[JDubb]

You can control alot of water with your diet. Rid all sugars (accept naturall) and LOWER your SODIUM intake.
Run 5-600mg/week for sure
I'd supplement anavar for the winnie since/if your not experienced with cycling. And really your first cycle should just be test only
I prefer aromasin or arimidex for your ai
nolva/clomid for pct
and read the stickys

I thought liquidex was armidex in liquid form and liquinolva was nolvadex in liquid form? also was thinking of going aromasin over armidex?

 

[JDubb]

Imma start a word doc with that and a link to all the pertinent stickies.... Copy Paste! I won't even go into the probably a bit young schpiel.

JDubb, Test E only @500-600 per week, bro. Its not a miracle drug, you still have to put effort into reaching your goals. If you're not too concerned with gaining a lot of muscle mass.... Just ramp up your cardio, lower your calories and burn the fat first. Then start your cycle, gain some real mass and eat like a pro. To get the most out of a cycle, you need to pick one or the other (Bulk or cut).

Sorry i should have mentioned my main goal. my goal was to cut without muscle loss and strength gain would be nice as to why i chose whinny.. so you think i would be better off with just test for that?? no less in 500pw

 

[Ocdude]

Sorry i should have mentioned my main goal. my goal was to cut without muscle loss and strength gain would be nice as to why i chose whinny.. so you think i would be better off with just test for that?? no less in 500pw

Bulk or cut, its all about your diet. On Test E alone, you should be able to lose 10 pounds of fat (with enough cardio and a cut diet) and gain a little lean mass in the process. Alternate lifting and cardio days and eat right bro, I doubt you'll be disappointed. Might suggest a convo with 3J and see if his services would work for you.

 

[JDubb]

Bulk or cut, its all about your diet. On Test E alone, you should be able to lose 10 pounds of fat (with enough cardio and a cut diet) and gain a little lean mass in the process. Alternate lifting and cardio days and eat right bro, I doubt you'll be disappointed. Might suggest a convo with 3J and see if his services would work for you.

Okay thats good. my diet is pretty strict and i will be doing cardio. which means i save some money by not buying any Winstrol (winny) , thank you I'm guessing 3J is a member of this forum.

 

[Ocdude]

Yes 3J is a nutrional genius on here.
Here's his info thread:
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/diet-forum/602974-3js-nutrition-network.html
Spend that Winstrol (winny) money on some solid help from him!

 

[MeatHead96]

Sorry i should have mentioned my main goal. my goal was to cut without muscle loss and strength gain would be nice as to why i chose whinny.. so you think i would be better off with just test for that?? no less in 500pw

I never recommend cutting on a first cycle. If your gonna juice then do it right and bulk. Cut when you have something to cut. Up the test to at least 400mg per week and if you must run something else with it go with anavar.