First ever cycle - Test & Var

[IThinkICan]

TESTOSTERONE & ANAVAR STACK CYCLE

CYCLE:
TESTOSTERONE C 350mg/ml 10ml x 2
TESTOSTERONE E 350mg/ml 10ml x2
OXANDROLONE/ANAVAR 20mg x 250
HCG 5000iu x 1
AROMASIN/EXEMESTANE 25mg/ml 10ml x 3
VITAMIN B12 1000mcg/ml 10ml x 1
PCT:
TOREMIFENE/FARESTON 60mg/ml 60ml x 1


WEEK ONE [Start Of 16 Week Cycle];
Day 001: 350mg Test C(1ml)
Day 002: Off
Day 003: Off
Day 004: Off
Day 005: 350mg Test C(1ml)
Day 006: Off
Day 007: Off
WEEK TWO;
Day 008: Off
Day 009: 350mg Test C(1ml)
Day 010: Off
Day 011: Off
Day 012: Off
Day 013: 350mg Test C(1ml)
Day 014: Off
WEEK THREE;
Day 015: 5mg Aromasin(0.2ml) / Vitamin B12(1ml)
Day 016: 5mg Aromasin(0.2ml)
Day 017: 350mg Test C(1ml) / 250iu HCG / 5mg Aromasin(0.2ml)
Day 018: 5mg Aromasin(0.2ml)
Day 019: 5mg Aromasin(0.2ml)
Day 020: 5mg Aromasin(0.2ml)
Day 021: 350mg Test C(1ml) / 250iu HCG / 5mg Aromasin(0.2ml)
WEEK FOUR;
Day 022: 5mg Aromasin(0.2ml)
Day 023: 5mg Aromasin(0.2ml)
Day 024: 350mg Test C(1ml) / 5mg Aromasin(0.2ml)
Day 025: 250iu HCG / 5mg Aromasin(0.2ml)
Day 026: 5mg Aromasin(0.2ml)
Day 027: 5mg Aromasin(0.2ml)
Day 028: 350mg Test C(1ml) / 5mg Aromasin(0.2ml)
WEEK FIVE;
Day 029: 250iu HCG / 5mg Aromasin(0.2ml) / Vitamin B12(1ml)
Day 030: 5mg Aromasin(0.2ml)
Day 031: 5mg Aromasin(0.2ml)
Day 032: 350mg Test C(1ml) / 5mg Aromasin(0.2ml)
Day 033: 250iu HCG / 5mg Aromasin(0.2ml)
Day 034: 5mg Aromasin(0.2ml)
Day 035: 350mg Test C(1ml) / 5mg Aromasin(0.2ml)
WEEK SIX;
Day 036: 5mg Aromasin(0.2ml)
Day 037: 250iu HCG / 5mg Aromasin(0.2ml)
Day 038: 350mg Test C(1ml) / 5mg Aromasin(0.2ml)
Day 039: 5mg Aromasin(0.2ml)
Day 040: 5mg Aromasin(0.2ml)
Day 041: 250iu HCG / 5mg Aromasin(0.2ml)
Day 042: 350mg Test C(1ml) / 5mg Aromasin(0.2ml)
WEEK SEVEN;
Day 043: 5mg Aromasin(0.2ml) / Vitamin B12(1ml)
Day 044: 5mg Aromasin(0.2ml)
Day 045: 250iu HCG / 5mg Aromasin(0.2ml)
Day 046: 350mg Test C(1ml) / 5mg Aromasin(0.2ml)
Day 047: 5mg Aromasin(0.2ml)
Day 048: 5mg Aromasin(0.2ml)
Day 049: 350mg Test C(1ml) / 250iu HCG / 5mg Aromasin(0.2ml)
WEEK EIGHT;
Day 050: 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
Day 051: 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
Day 052: 350mg Test C(1ml) / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
Day 053: 250iu HCG / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
Day 054: 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
Day 055: 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
Day 056: 350mg Test C(1ml) / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
WEEK NINE [Begin 2 Weeks Of Straight Test];
Day 057: Blood Analysis / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
Day 058: Off
Day 059: Off
Day 060: 525mg Test C(1.5ml)
Day 061: Off
Day 062: Off
Day 063: 525mg Test C(1.5ml)
WEEK TEN;
Day 064: Off
Day 065: Off
Day 066: 350mg Test C(1ml) / 175mg Test E(0.5ml)
Day 067: Off
Day 068: Off
Day 069: Off
Day 070: 525mg Test E(1.5ml)
WEEK ELEVEN [Depending On Blood Analysis -Could Vary];
Day 071: 60mg Anavar / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml) / Vitamin B12(1ml)
Day 072: 60mg Anavar / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
Day 073: 80mg Anavar / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
Day 074: 525mg Test E(1.5ml) / 80mg Anavar/250iuHCG/10mgAromasin(0.4ml)
Day 075: 80mg Anavar / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
Day 076: 80mg Anavar / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
Day 077: 525mg Test E(1.5ml) / 80mg Anavar / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
WEEK TWELVE;
Day 078: 80mg Anavar / 250iu HCG / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
Day 079: 80mg Anavar / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
Day 080: 525mg Test E(1.5ml) / 80mg Anavar / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
Day 081: 80mg Anavar / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
Day 082: 80mg Anavar / 250iu HCG / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
Day 083: 80mg Anavar / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
Day 084: 525mg Test E(1.5ml) / 80mg Anavar / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
WEEK THIRTEEN;
Day 085: 80mg Anavar / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml) / Vitamin B12(1ml)
Day 086: 80mg Anavar / 250iu HCG / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
Day 087: 80mg Anavar / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
Day 088: 525mg Test E(1.5ml) / 80mg Anavar / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
Day 089: 80mg Anavar / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
Day 090: 80mg Anavar / 250iu HCG / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
Day 091: 525mg Test E(1.5ml) / 80mg Anavar / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
WEEK FOURTEEN;
Day 092: 80mg Anavar / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
Day 093: 80mg Anavar / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
Day 094: 525mg Test E(1.5ml) / 80mg Anavar/250iuHCG/10mgAromasin(0.4ml)
Day 095: 80mg Anavar / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
Day 096: 80mg Anavar / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
Day 097: 80mg Anavar / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
Day 098: 525mg Test E(1.5ml) / 80mg Anavar /250iuHCG/10mgAromasin(0.4ml)
WEEK FIFTEEN;
Day 099: 80mg Anavar / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml) / Vitamin B12(1ml)
Day 100: 80mg Anavar / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
Day 101: 80mg Anavar / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
Day 102: 525mg Test E(1.5ml) / 80mg Anavar / 250iu HCG/10mgAromasin(0.4ml)
Day 103: 80mg Anavar / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
Day 104: 80mg Anavar / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
Day 105: 525mg Test E(1.5ml) / 80mg Anavar / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
WEEK SIXTEEN [Last Week Of Test Cycle];
Day 106: 80mg Anavar / 250iu HCG / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
Day 107: 80mg Anavar / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
Day 108: 80mg Anavar / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
Day 109: 525mg Test E(1.5ml) / 80mg Anavar / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
Day 110: 80mg Anavar / 250iu HCG / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
Day 111: 80mg Anavar / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
Day 112: 525mg Test E(1.5ml) / 80mg Anavar / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
WEEK SEVENTEEN [Start Of 3 Week Cleansing];
Day 113: 80mg Anavar / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml) / Vitamin B12(1ml)
Day 114: 80mg Anavar / 10mg Aromasin(0.4ml)
Day 115: 80mg Anavar
Day 116: 80mg Anavar
Day 117: 80mg Anavar
Day 118: 80mg Anavar
Day 119: 80mg Anavar
WEEK EIGHTEEN;
Day 120: 80mg Anavar
Day 121: 80mg Anavar
Day 122: 80mg Anavar
Day 123: 80mg Anavar
Day 124: 80mg Anavar
Day 125: 80mg Anavar
Day 126: 80mg Anavar
WEEK NINETEEN;
Day 127: 80mg Anavar / Vitamin B12(1ml)
Day 128: 80mg Anavar
Day 129: 80mg Anavar
Day 130: 80mg Anavar
Day 131: 80mg Anavar
Day 132: 80mg Anavar
Day 133: 80mg Anavar
WEEK TWENTY [Start Of 4 Week PCT];
Day 134: 40mg Toremifene(0.7ml)
Day 135: 40mg Toremifene(0.7ml)
Day 136: 40mg Toremifene(0.7ml)
Day 137: 40mg Toremifene(0.7ml)
Day 138: 40mg Toremifene(0.7ml)
Day 139: 40mg Toremifene(0.7ml)
Day 140: 40mg Toremifene(0.7ml)
WEEK TWENTY-ONE;
Day 141: 40mg Toremifene(0.7ml) / Vitamin B12(1ml)
Day 142: 40mg Toremifene(0.7ml)
Day 143: 40mg Toremifene(0.7ml)
Day 144: 40mg Toremifene(0.7ml)
Day 145: 40mg Toremifene(0.7ml)
Day 146: 40mg Toremifene(0.7ml)
Day 147: 40mg Toremifene(0.7ml)
WEEK TWENTY-TWO;
Day 148: 40mg Toremifene(0.7ml)
Day 149: 40mg Toremifene(0.7ml)
Day 150: 40mg Toremifene(0.7ml)
Day 151: 40mg Toremifene(0.7ml)
Day 152: 40mg Toremifene(0.7ml)
Day 153: 40mg Toremifene(0.7ml)
Day 154: 40mg Toremifene(0.7ml)
WEEK TWENTY-THREE;
Day 155: 40mg Toremifene(0.7ml) / Vitamin B12(1ml)
Day 156: 40mg Toremifene (0.7ml)
Day 157: 40mg Toremifene(0.7ml)
Day 158: 40mg Toremifene(0.7ml)
Day 159: 40mg Toremifene(0.7ml)
Day 160: 40mg Toremifene(0.7ml)
Day 161: 40mg Toremifene(0.7ml)
THE END!

STATS;
Male
30 years of age
6'1"
185 lbs

When I was in my 20's I was just over 200 lbs and can't seem to get back to that weight. I eat healthy and often, but any new weight seems to just collect around my waist..let me know what your knowledge holds! Thanks.

 

[GoPro]

Okay, this cycle is giving me a fucking head ache. Why do you have Test C and Test E. The release times are the same and Test is Test, unless you have ran a million cycles and can tell the most minute amount of differences. And since it is your first cycle go back and read the stickies. TEST ONLY for first cycles. If you want an answer to that then go and research. And the anavar is high for a first cycle, but you could run it like that. I would run 60mgs ED for the last 1-2 months. And Run 6.25mgs Aromatase inhibitor (AI) EOD and try that at first. All in All, go back and research.

 

[riprockwell]

God that fucking layout is horrible. Hurt my eyes and my head to remotely read that shit. So instead I will propose you a proper cycle. This is your first cycle so you should just run testosterone only to see how your body reacts to it. Additionally, it scares me when a guy says he can't seem to get to 200lbs. Taking steroids isn't going to magically get you to that weight. You will put on some water weight and a little muscle but if you are not eating to maintain the new grow, you will be right back to where you started. You are fairly thin being 6'1 tall and weighing 185. I would get your diet in check and invest with 3J. Sell your anavar for now and spend that money on 3J and some groceries. You really need to get the diet and training in check first. Once you do that, then cycle and I would run the following:

Weeks 1-12: Test E at 500mg per week
Weeks 1-12: HCG at 500ius per week
Weeks 1-12: Adex at .25mg EOD (Adjust as needed)

PCT: Clomid 50/50/50/50 Nolva 40/40/20/20

That is all you need. That is plenty to grow off of considering you have the diet and training down. Get that in check first.

 

[halfwit]

Wow, quite the first post! I think you could have made it a little easier on the eyes without a day-by-day breakdown, but it just shows how thorough you have been in your homework, so I have to give you credit there. However I do see a few things I have questions on.

1. Why the ramping up of testosterone on week 9? Is this your first cycle? A gram of test is likely overkill unless you've ran several cycles and know that you require this much to grow.

2. Why do you feel the need to stop taking test at week 16, but continue with anavar up until PCT? Yes, you'll likely still have testosterone in your system, but as anavar itself is suppressive, I'd rethink about running it up to the beginning of your PCT.

3. Weeks nine and ten confuse me. You continue to run testosterone, but stop with the Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Why is this? It isn't as if your aromatase function is going to stop magically, allowing you to take a break from the exemestane. I also noticed you ramped up the Aromatase inhibitor (AI), but have a note regarding the blood analysis. Is this a simulation expecting elevated E2 levels?

4. I'm going to assume that you're running two different esters as this is what you had available to you, right? If not, can you explain why the need to run cypionate/enanthate like this?

5. At 185lbs and being 6'1", I think you have more of a diet issue than a training one. Have you considered looking into this aspect first and seeing if you can't gain more mass by changing what you eat? AAS will only help you grow if you are feeding your body properly to begin with, and this is likely the #1 reason why many are disappointed with their results. If you're serious about this, I would strongly recommend contacting 3J (the moderator of the diet forum) and see if his nutritional service is right for you.

I'm sure there's something else that I may have forgotten, but I think you have a pretty good understanding on what's going on here and this could potentially be a pretty good cycle. I do recommend getting PRE-CYCLE bloodwork done as this will help provide a baseline to compare against when you do get your mid-cycle bloods done.

My .02c

Edit: Damn! I must be typing slow today, beaten to it by a mile!

 

[Docd187]

God Bless each and every one I you guys: Gopro, Rip, and Half. I made it to day 6 and started seeing stars and thought a migraine was coming. OP even though I didn't read your entire post, the guys that commented so far are among the best on here. I'm sure they gave you the best advice possible.

And please for the love of all that is holy, work on that layout. Not trying to mock you but it's just very very difficult to look at

 

[IThinkICan]

Wow, you guys are great. Never thought I would get such a quick response. LMFAO! Sorry about the layout, it is very hard to follow, I just wanted to lay out exactly what I was planning in detail. I will make sure not to make the same mistake again.

I want to ramp up the Test in mid-cycle to gain more mass, presuming my receptors would be more active. I run the Anavar (var) well past the end of the test cycle to overcome water loss with some lean gains. From what I understand, Anavar (var) would not be able to suppress my system as much as the amount of Test I would be taking, so I end Test @ week 16 but continue with the much milder Anavar (var) . The whole time waiting mostly for the AA's to dissipate, while incurring no extra estrogen build up while they level out.

Keeping in mind that I've been trying to mitigate E2 levels throughout the cycle, instead of letting them build and having to do an overdosed post cycle therapy (pct).

Weeks Nine & Ten are to make sure I do not desensitize my system and crash my natural estrogen production, I want to make sure my testes respond to the absence of the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) for the short period of two weeks. I will still have it in my system, but it would not be able to block 80%+ of my E2 after 1 week of absence. You are correct in assuming that I am anticipating higher E2 levels, and yes that is why I doubled the Aromatase inhibitor (AI), but also in perpetration for the 1g of Test increase as it takes 1 week for my Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to stabilize in the blood stream. A sort-of pre-emptive strike, if you will indulge..

I am also aware that there is a great possibility that my Estrogen levels could be too low, but unlikely as I am under-dosing my Aromatase inhibitor (AI) through 8 weeks. The blood test would reveal my next course of action regarding Aromatase inhibitor (AI) dosing through the next 8 weeks.

Through reading I find the consensus to be that TestC is slightly longer with higher water retention while TestE is the opposite. It seems to be a favorite to run TestC at the beginning of a cycle and to finish with TestE. Even though this may all be mith it doesn't hurt, and there is no added cost to me.

I am going to get bloodwork done to get baseline numbers, I should have stated that. I wonder if it's worth the money to get blood work done at the end of it all, what do you guys think?

I consume higher then average calories in a week, the problem I think is that my meals are not spread throughout the day but instead in a few very large meals. I work on a drilling rig and am always active with a very high metabolism. My work hours are 12h/day/week with two 16h/days on rig move. On my days off (14 on 5 off) I am at the gym every day. This is my break-up and now have a chance to put on some mass with some help.

Thanks for all the insight, I feel lucky being able to receive it, I do appreciate it. I think I will take this advice and try to pack on 5 pounds in two weeks on my own before I try this.

 

[halfwit]

Wow, you guys are great. Never thought I would get such a quick response. LMFAO! Sorry about the layout, it is very hard to follow, I just wanted to lay out exactly what I was planning in detail. I will make sure not to make the same mistake again.

Not a HUGE deal, but you have to remember the average person has an attention span of.....ooh shiny!

I want to ramp up the Test in mid-cycle to gain more mass, presuming my receptors would be more active. I run the Anavar (var) well past the end of the test cycle to overcome water loss with some lean gains. From what I understand, Anavar (var) would not be able to suppress my system as much as the amount of Test I would be taking, so I end Test @ week 16 but continue with the much milder Anavar (var) . The whole time waiting mostly for the AA's to dissipate, while incurring no extra estrogen build up while they level out.

Keeping in mind that I've been trying to mitigate E2 levels throughout the cycle, instead of letting them build and having to do an overdosed post cycle therapy (pct).

That's an interesting theory, but it's mostly the fault of estrogen causing this water retention. Yes, testosterone will cause some, but keeping that E2 in check will prevent more watery gains than anything. While ana Anavar (var) is very mild, it is still suppressive - so you would want to take a break of a couple weeks before PCT to let them clear out of you regardless. This makes recovery (the true goal of PCT) much easier for you as your hormone levels will be seeking homeostasis. The only element of PCT that really involves estrogen is the use of a SERM, which is meant to prevent any estrogen rebound from attaching to your receptors - causing gynecomastia. Exemestane should help greatly in this area as it is a suicidal Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and won't have the same rebound other AI's are notorious for.

Weeks Nine & Ten are to make sure I do not desensitize my system and crash my natural estrogen production, I want to make sure my testes respond to the absence of the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) for the short period of two weeks. I will still have it in my system, but it would not be able to block 80%+ of my E2 after 1 week of absence. You are correct in assuming that I am anticipating higher E2 levels, and yes that is why I doubled the Aromatase inhibitor (AI), but also in perpetration for the 1g of Test increase as it takes 1 week for my Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to stabilize in the blood stream. A sort-of pre-emptive strike, if you will indulge..

I am also aware that there is a great possibility that my Estrogen levels could be too low, but unlikely as I am under-dosing my Aromatase inhibitor (AI) through 8 weeks. The blood test would reveal my next course of action regarding Aromatase inhibitor (AI) dosing through the next 8 weeks.

I've never heard of this approach and you have to keep in mind that your body doesn't really make estrogen. It releases an enzyme based on what it sees as excess testosterone to balance out the T:E ratio which converts your test (wasting your money!) into estrogen. Do yourself a favor and continue running an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) throughout the cycle up until the break period prior to post cycle therapy (pct). You do at least have the blood test planned, which is very good and will help you to plan out the rest of your cycle accordingly. I wouldn't mess with your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) dose until that point unless you start to feel itchy/sensitive nipples or a lot of bloat in your feet/face - indicating you are seeing elevated E2 levels.

Through reading I find the consensus to be that TestC is slightly longer with higher water retention while TestE is the opposite. It seems to be a favorite to run TestC at the beginning of a cycle and to finish with TestE. Even though this may all be mith it doesn't hurt, and there is no added cost to me.

I am going to get bloodwork done to get baseline numbers, I should have stated that. I wonder if it's worth the money to get blood work done at the end of it all, what do you guys think?

Yep, it's completely a myth as testosterone is testosterone is testosterone. The ester differences between enanthate and cypionate are pretty much negligible and you likely will not notice a difference between the two given they are the same concentration/formulation with carriers and solvents. I think you're overthinking things a bit here, and you could easily stick with one ester and see no difference at all. Remember, it's the estradiol causing bloat/water gain, not the test.

I consume higher then average calories in a week, the problem I think is that my meals are not spread throughout the day but instead in a few very large meals. I work on a drilling rig and am always active with a very high metabolism. My work hours are 12h/day/week with two 16h/days on rig move. On my days off (5 out of 14) I am at the gym every day. This is my break-up and now have a chance to put on some mass with some help.

Thanks for all the insight, I feel lucky being able to receive it, I do appreciate it. I think I will take this advice and try to pack on 5 pounds in two weeks on my own before I try this.

I still think that you could do some serious work on your diet as it's more than just calories per day that matter. I'd start hitting the diet section to see what you can learn there or as suggested, hit up 3J. I'd also suggest that you lower that test dose to 500mg/wk if you are still planning on running this cycle as a gram per week is just going to be wasted in this case. Most will suggest test only for a first cycle, but as long as you keep that ana Anavar (var) at the tail end, I don't personally see an issue with running it. Just be sure to listen to your body and don't be shy if you have more questions.

Oh, and I would get that last blood test 5 or so weeks post-PCT to make sure everything has recovered properly. Sooner than that and you risk getting a snap-shot of things before they've settled.

My .02c

Edit: Please remove that dollar amount from your initial post. We cannot discuss pricing even if we don't know your source.

 

[IThinkICan]

Thanks halfwit (seems like an oxymoron, more like fullwit...) that's exactly the insight I was looking to find. I'm picking up what you're throwing down! I will be refining my cycle but not before I spend a couple weeks in the dieting section, and seeing if I can attain clean gains first. I feel more comfortable with this then I ever have.

Forums are only as good as the people they lay their foundation on.

 

[halfwit]

Thanks halfwit (seems like an oxymoron, more like fullwit...) that's exactly the insight I was looking to find. I'm picking up what you're throwing down! I will be refining my cycle but not before I spend a couple weeks in the dieting section, and seeing if I can attain clean gains first. I feel more comfortable with this then I ever have.

Forums are only as good as the people they lay their foundation on.

Sounds fantastic, don't be a stranger and welcome to 'ology.