Tentative First Cycle (Would Like An Opinion)

[J-Big]

Haha ill definitely keep that in mind. I have a question guys, there is slight sensitivity on my right nipple. I'm already running aromasin at 12.5 EOD. I understand that some people get sensitivity on AAS. Should I just keep my dosage where its at until I get more blood work done in a couple of weeks or should I get more blood work done now? Opinions are welcome. I will say, they're not puffy, just the right one is a bit sensitive if touched.

 

[oldmusclemike]

Got another question. Anyone use cialis while on cycle? I read it can be beneficial in small doses of 5mg just for vascularity. Obviously it's for sex, but I mean, doesn't anyone recommend it in a small dose before a workout?

Helloooo !! OMM here late in the game again. But I've been reviewing threads....

I had a laugh, not at OP really... But this ^^ above is has been a integral part of my routine when bringing out my vascularity cycle or not.

I use 20 mg if only for the intent of sex and only the 5 +/- mg for the vascularity with the use of N Ox and work out tempo / reps . Being an ecto i look like a fvckin road map. You can touchem, run your finger down on a huge vein and it disappears. Take my finger off and watch it ripple fill up from the bottom up , woo hello?

OMM ....

 

[J-Big]

Helloooo !! OMM here late in the game again. But I've been reviewing threads....

I had a laugh, not at OP really... But this ^^ above is has been a integral part of my routine when bringing out my vascularity cycle or not.

I use 20 mg if only for the intent of sex and only the 5 +/- mg for the vascularity with the use of N Ox and work out tempo / reps . Being an ecto i look like a fvckin road map. You can touchem, run your finger down on a huge vein and it disappears. Take my finger off and watch it ripple fill up from the bottom up , woo hello?

OMM ....

Haha Thank you Mike, I appreciate your insight. =)

 

[oldmusclemike]

Haha ill definitely keep that in mind. I have a question guys, there is slight sensitivity on my right nipple. I'm already running aromasin at 12.5 EOD. I understand that some people get sensitivity on AAS. Should I just keep my dosage where its at until I get more blood work done in a couple of weeks or should I get more blood work done now? Opinions are welcome. I will say, they're not puffy, just the right one is a bit sensitive if touched.

I gotta tell ya .. I always liked that lil,.... little sensitivity n my nipples. I knew my gear was g2g IMOP.
I took note and watched it. It would dissipate. If using my AI scheduled properly OR even close I would get the bloods. It is a symptom not always a truism but so we check.

Again IMOP and subsequent experiences it will settle in short time. As I /we know and tell members careful with your AI dosing. MY experience in crashing E2 is sudden death to the cycle present.

Anyway some more 2 cents..
OMM

 

[PapaNoel]

It was a snarky response, but what I meant is you clearly misunderstood him. Google "can stomach absorb protein" and you'll get this:
Pepsin is the active protein-digesting enzyme of the stomach. Pepsin acts on protein molecules by breaking the peptide bonds that hold the molecules together. Digestion of protein is completed in the small intestine by the pancreatic enzymes trypsin, chymotrypsin, and carboxypeptidase.
I know that's high level detective shit, took me 5 seconds to do that. Protein is absorbed in the small intestines, sugars like glucose can be absorbed in the stomach. Perhaps that's what he said.
OP, eat some real food. Ditch the protein shakes unless you have them with solid food, in which case why bother, just eat meat. Don't get me wrong, I love protein shakes. I eat no sugar so they taste like candy or a milkshake to me even with stevia, but for real nutrition they aren't nearly as good as real food. And if you are eating four of them per day there's a good chance you are deluding yourself on calories and protein counts.

Maybe i did miss understand it but 3J might have missunderstood the question too.. Anyhow this is the conversation that was had.

Me "Had a discussion with my friend today and I just couldn't argue it correctly lol...
It was about protein sources, mainly from meats and powder... My friend argued protein as protein and even that whey would be the easiest protein source to absorb...

I tried saying that you'll only get roughly 20-30% uptake from the shake without solid food in you and then tried to convince him its just better... But I couldn't argue why and simply said,its better!!! lol...
So why is real food so much better?"

Me ** In a mail straight after for followup about discussion about gainer shakes.

3J "actually whey is much better absorbed because its absorbed through the stomach and not the intestines.. but! it does nothing for your metabolism and the biological process that burns calories as it breaks down food."

So thats where my assumption came from.
So whats happened here, tank?

 

[PapaNoel]

Again IMOP and subsequent experiences it will settle in short time. As I /we know and tell members careful with your AI dosing. MY experience in crashing E2 is sudden death to the cycle present.
OMM

As someone who went bit mad with my AI scheduling and to many bloods draw last cycle, i wholeheartedly agree wtih mike., i went from pretty high. which was more noticeable on paper than I actually experienced, cried over a random chick flick but felt healthy so yeh, increased adex to 0.28ish. left bloods 2-3 week later still higher.
Perfectionist as we all try to be i went into war and I starting eating big doses of both adex and asin. Took 0.20mg adex and was doing 20mg asin each day, think i dropped asin down to 12.5 after about 12 days, Some magic syngery while running both, but what do i know. felt amazingly good until the crash couple days later.
The crash though was a nightmare, no "speaking filters", no energy, hated the world, didnt wanna be around people,, gym time become joke/hell, didnt wanna do anything pretty much and took good 10-14 days to get out of that mentality. Lesson learned for me was, a bit high estro is fine, and you gotta slowly finesse it down with patience and multiple blood work. If thats your goal.

 

[oldmusclemike]

As someone who went bit mad with my AI scheduling and to many bloods draw last cycle, i wholeheartedly agree wtih mike., i went from pretty high. which was more noticeable on paper than I actually experienced, cried over a random chick flick but felt healthy so yeh, increased adex to 0.28ish. left bloods 2-3 week later still higher.
Perfectionist as we all try to be i went into war and I starting eating big doses of both adex and asin. Took 0.20mg adex and was doing 20mg asin each day, think i dropped asin down to 12.5 after about 12 days, Some magic syngery while running both, but what do i know. felt amazingly good until the crash couple days later.
The crash though was a nightmare, no "speaking filters", no energy, hated the world, didnt wanna be around people,, gym time become joke/hell, didnt wanna do anything pretty much and took good 10-14 days to get out of that mentality. Lesson learned for me was, a bit high estro is fine, and you gotta slowly finesse it down with patience and multiple blood work. If thats your goal.

Hey man ^^^ yea you know what I mean. Some have never been there , good for them Ha ! But should take heed as to your post and what i said. Wow the mood swings and it all.Hell I couldn't eat, I couldn't force my shakes , i was a just sick. That cycle just didn't happen anywhere close to what i wanted and what "I was ready for.."

Good Luck to all that may crash their E2, be careful...

OMM

 

[scorob777]

I crashed my E2 once and it impacted me by making every joint in my body feel like it was full of shards of glass. Felt like arthritis in every moving piece, and particularly those that had been injured before.

Didn't know it at the time, but quick(ish) fix is popping some dbol.

 

[PapaNoel]

So the "Clearly misunderstood him" was in fact a "I have no fucking clue what was said, but ill just assume you are wrong".

Who will eat the shit sandwich here, tankman or 3J ?

 

[scorob777]

I'll just go on assuming you were wrong, you should be used to that.

Ha, just yanking your chain. My give a shit meter is reading low.

 

[J-Big]

Well guys, I was going to wait until week four to get more blood work done but now I feel a small lump under my right nipple. Nothing on the left. I was wondering if I should wait until my bloodwork which would be done Monday at the earliest and then wait for results and then adjust the AI or if i should take 12.5 aromasin every day instead of every other day. Also, will that reverse the lump or do I need to take nolvadex to reverse it? I don't have letrozol. I am willing to buy more stuff but obviously it would take like a week to get. Just wondering what the opinions were. I just don't want this to be irreversible if I wait to long. Also, do I stop or taper the Test shots? Lastly, its not visible. I'm thinking of Aromasin ED at 12.5 and then see what the blood work says. Also considering tamoxifen at 10mg twice a day, not sure if I should wait for blood work though.

 

[J-Big]

Well guys, I lucked out and found a lab that's open on Saturdays. I just got it drawn. I think I'm definitely going to do the 12.5 Aromasin per day. Might try to split the 25mg pill in 4 to take it every 12 hours but its pretty tough. I guess I could crush one and split it into 4 lines and consume it like that (not snorting). Maybe lick it off the plate and drink some water? I'm still not sure if I should take the nolvadex though my research suggests I should do at least 20 mg per day, preferably 10mg every 12 hours. Others say to do a week at 40mg ED, 60mg on day 1. The following week at 20mg per day until symptoms subside. I have been taking HCG 500 IU per week. Should I stop this if i take the nolvadex? Also, seriously considering just stopping the cycle, I'd rather not but I don't want to make things worse. I know others must have successfully mitigated these types of issues. Chime in please. Thanks again guys!

 

[scorob777]

So J-Big, I read back a few posts to try to see what you are concerned with. All I saw was you are getting some slight nipple sensitivity. Is that right? And you are thinking of bailing on the cycle?

You obviously can and will do as you wish, I'll just say that if you fuck around with your hormones you need to be made of sterner stuff than that. All sorts of things can go wrong, you just need to take your best shot at preventing, then fixing them, and need to be a bit patient with regard to getting blood testing to try to see what's really going on.

But the reason we do this is because all sorts of things can go right, so I'd suggest you wait until your blood results come back then regroup. If you took the basic female profile results come in just a couple days, if LC/MS can take a week.

 

[PapaNoel]

I'll just go on assuming you were wrong, you should be used to that.

Ha, just yanking your chain. My give a shit meter is reading low.

Hahah. Im just fucking with you bro, just think its funny 3J said something wrong and had to point it out somehow

 

[J-Big]

Good morning Tankmanbob, it started out as slight sensitivity but there is now a tangible little hard lump located behind my right nipple. Well its a behind it but a tiny bit to the side, it cannot be seen but i can feel it. There is no such lump on the left side. I decided to shoot my regular 250 test today, I also took 12.5mg of aromasin and I think I'll do so everyday. Also, I managed to split the pill into 4 pieces, they're not perfect but I think it will be okay, this way I can take it every 12 hours. Lastly, I did take 20 mg of Nolvadex. Not sure if i should stay on that though. The test I ordered is the LabsMD Hormone Panel for Females. Thank you for your post man. Somewhat puts me at ease. I think this whole thing can be fixed, I've read other posts where people fix these types of issues and continue with their cycle. Thanks again man.

 

[Full Blown]

Glas things are going well brother.
Keep up on the bloods. They'll tell you what you need to know.

 

[scorob777]

Good morning Tankmanbob, it started out as slight sensitivity but there is now a tangible little hard lump located behind my right nipple. Well its a behind it but a tiny bit to the side, it cannot be seen but i can feel it. There is no such lump on the left side. I decided to shoot my regular 250 test today, I also took 12.5mg of aromasin and I think I'll do so everyday. Also, I managed to split the pill into 4 pieces, they're not perfect but I think it will be okay, this way I can take it every 12 hours. Lastly, I did take 20 mg of Nolvadex. Not sure if i should stay on that though. The test I ordered is the LabsMD Hormone Panel for Females. Thank you for your post man. Somewhat puts me at ease. I think this whole thing can be fixed, I've read other posts where people fix these types of issues and continue with their cycle. Thanks again man.

I get those little hard & painful lumps too, they subside with higher AI dose and go away when you come off cycle. Just be aware you may need to wait until you come off, some folks don't succeed in reducing them while on.

I've never used nolva, but that should do the trick for you in addition to going to 12.5mg asin ED. The nice thing about asin is it is really hard to tank your E2 on it. You can take too much and you'll still have enough E2 to function, so it is much less finicky about dosage than adex, or especially letro.

 

[J-Big]

I get those little hard & painful lumps too, they subside with higher AI dose and go away when you come off cycle. Just be aware you may need to wait until you come off, some folks don't succeed in reducing them while on.

I've never used nolva, but that should do the trick for you in addition to going to 12.5mg asin ED. The nice thing about asin is it is really hard to tank your E2 on it. You can take too much and you'll still have enough E2 to function, so it is much less finicky about dosage than adex, or especially letro.

Thanks again Tankmanbob. I'm glad to hear you were able to get it under control. This isnmy first cycle, I was concerned when I felt the lump but now I realize it's fairly common. I'm going to run 40mg nolvadex for a week and then 20 ED. Do you know if i should stop the hcg while running nolvadex? Or maybe lower the hcg dose? I'm at 500IU per week at the moment.

 

[J-Big]

Good evening all, I received my blood work results via email today. Test is very high and estrogen is high but not insanely so. Nevertheless, I still have the small lump under my right nipple. I have been on Nolvadex 40mg per day. It certainly hurts less, Im also on Aromasin at 12.5mg ED. will get more blood work done in a few weeks unless something drastic changes. I'm running 500 mg Test E per week though I did go up to 600mg for 2 weeks but after the lump developed i went back to 500. I have also been taking 500 IU of HCG per week. Any analysis would be appreciated. Thanks again.

FSH is low at <.7

LH is low at <.2

ESTRADIOL is high at 49

TESTOSTERONE TOTAL MS is high at 3756.

My file was too big to upload. I may try splitting it and upload it in 2 parts if it helps with analysis.

If Im taking Nolvadex, can I still take HCG? I know it can cause gyno so I was thinking of decreaseing the dose to 50IU EOD. Let me know what adjustments you guys think are in order.

 

[J-Big]

I split the pdf file into two posts.