First planned cycle,need help!

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NutellaKiller

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Hey guys,new to the board!
I have done my research and i think have gained enough knowledge about roids.
I am 19(soon to be 20) been lifting for 2 years.
Height:6'
Weight-81KG(179 lbs)
BF% should be around 18%
I have a older(around 40)and experienced friend at the gym and i am planning this cycle under his guidance:
Week 1- 200mg Test-E(in total)and 20mg dbol ed
Week 2- 300mg Test E 20mg dbol ed
Week 3 -500mg Test-E 30mg dbol ed
Week 4-6 -500mg Test E 30mg dbol ed
Week 6-12 500mg test E
PCT:Nolvadex and clomid (in hand during cycle too if any gyno shows up)
Will take liv.52 through out the cycle as well
I am open for all suggestions and inputs,i know i might be young for many but i feel i have reached a pause and need an extra kick
My lifts are strong..
225x4 bench
310x2 Dead
225x6 squats(never really upped the weight)
The initial intake i have planned is because my friend advised to start on low and then gradually increase.
Inputs and suggestions appreciated!
 
Wait until you are at least 25 to cycle. Your brain and body are still developing. And that cycle you have laid out could really screw you up. Your friend doesn't seem to know what he is doing. You can still get plenty of natural growth at your age at 6', 179 lbs and 18% BF. Work on your diet first would be my advice.
 
Megatron28 said:
Wait until you are at least 25 to cycle. Your brain and body are still developing. And that cycle you have laid out could really screw you up. Your friend doesn't seem to know what he is doing. You can still get plenty of natural growth at your age at 6', 179 lbs and 18% BF. Work on your diet first would be my advice.
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Thanks for the advice,can you please point out whats wrong with the cycle?Just to filter out my knowledge.
I thought it was decent to begin with will a cycle with only dbol or any other AAS without test be better for my age?
I have been eating good for a long time,getting good amount of macros with decent supplementation.
Just feel i deserve better for the hardwork nd efforts i am putting in
 
You need to start by learning about the HPTA and aromatization of testosterone to estradiol. If your buddy can't explain them to you then think really hard about taking his advice. Do your homework before you start putting stuff in your body. Read the stickies and read as much as you possibly can on this site. You will learn a lot from others experiences.
 
Megatron28 said:
You need to start by learning about the HPTA and aromatization of testosterone to estradiol. If your buddy can't explain them to you then think really hard about taking his advice. Do your homework before you start putting stuff in your body. Read the stickies and read as much as you possibly can on this site. You will learn a lot from others experiences.
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I do know about the HPTA..but thats what PCT is for isn't it? Using an AI will
Prevent aromatization?Or should i just completely wash off this idea for 4-5 years?
 
Pitbull55 said:
You should really listen to these guys, you have a lot more natural potential at 20 years old.
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I will! Just clearing out the wrong points i knew.
Can someone please point out what exactly in this cycle
Could screw me up?Just to help out with my incomplete knowledge!
 
I know you are young, but we can't spoon feed you everything. I have pointed you in the right direction. Have you at least read all the stickies yet? Come back in a day or so when you have more knowledge to discuss cycles intelligently. There are a lot of guys here that are more than willing to help you, but you need to put in some effort.
 
Coming from another 20 y/o who's first cycle was at 19, my adivce to you would be: Don't cycle yet!

AS far as pointing you in the correct direction, Your cycle is missing an Aromatase Inhibitor (AI) and your Testosterone dosages seem a little funky. You would probably be better off keeping it at 500mgs throughout the whole cycle.
 
KingPen said:
Coming from another 20 y/o who's first cycle was at 19, my adivce to you would be: Don't cycle yet!

AS far as pointing you in the correct direction, Your cycle is missing an Aromatase Inhibitor (AI) and your Testosterone dosages seem a little funky. You would probably be better off keeping it at 500mgs throughout the whole cycle.
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Thank you for the advice..so be it any cycle i am better off abstaining from roids till 25 thats what it looks like
The guy who advised me has done many cycles himself..So I gave it a thought,200mg does seem to be extra low dosage
Megatron28 said:
I know you are young, but we can't spoon feed you everything. I have pointed you in the right direction. Have you at least read all the stickies yet? Come back in a day or so when you have more knowledge to discuss cycles intelligently. There are a lot of guys here that are more than willing to help you, but you need to put in some effort.
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I literally have 20 pages bookmarked on my phone just regarding roids,some
From info to people's experiences,its totally confusing thats why i wanted a proper direction.Some at 20 said they loved it some didn't,as a first time its really confusing.
As for the cycle,500mg of test and an AI would complete the cycle?
 
I will point some things out to you.....

1. You are young. Too young to be cycling. Like Megatron said, you are still developing including HPTA axis, etc. Do some research on this.
2. Those lifts are not crazy strong and is definitely something you can improve naturally.
3. 18% body fat is too high to cycle. You realize generally when people cycle, unless you are on a strict cut, you will gain some fat. Would you want to end up over 20% body fat?? That is not impressive and recommended to do so.
4. First cycles always need to be testosterone only. It is plenty for someone to grow and develop. The main reason its recommended is to see how your body reacts to the testosterone. If you start with 2 compounds and you start getting negative side effects, how do you know if its the testosterone or dbol causing it??
5. Estrogen always needs to be controlled from the beginning especially if you were planning on running a compound like Dbol which gives a lot of aromatization issues for guys.
6. Why doesn't your cycle consist of HCG?? Poorly planned thats why.
7. I love when guys your age say that they are hitting a wall. I am 100% sure you have not hit a wall naturally. Post up what you eat in a day and what your goals are. Also included all macros and your TDEE.
8. Post your training split so we can see what you are doing for training.

Remember, I have known some pro bodybuilders in my life time that didn't know very much shit about cycling. YOU need to research and make the best informed decision. At your age, it will be a regret you will have. You theoretically should have good testosterone levels naturally. So you think by taking steroids it will magically make you get over that hump. This boils down to diet and your training. I promise you that you are severely lacking in that department. You realize its also not just about injecting something and getting massive. You will shut yourself down and you might be unlucky enough to never recover and have to be on injections the rest of your life. I started young at your age and I regret it to this day. I thought I knew everything about diet and training. Boy was I wrong. Hold off on this cycle.
 
riprockwell said:
I will point some things out to you.....

1. You are young. Too young to be cycling. Like Megatron said, you are still developing including HPTA axis, etc. Do some research on this.
2. Those lifts are not crazy strong and is definitely something you can improve naturally.
3. 18% body fat is too high to cycle. You realize generally when people cycle, unless you are on a strict cut, you will gain some fat. Would you want to end up over 20% body fat?? That is not impressive and recommended to do so.
4. First cycles always need to be testosterone only. It is plenty for someone to grow and develop. The main reason its recommended is to see how your body reacts to the testosterone. If you start with 2 compounds and you start getting negative side effects, how do you know if its the testosterone or dbol causing it??
5. Estrogen always needs to be controlled from the beginning especially if you were planning on running a compound like Dbol which gives a lot of aromatization issues for guys.
6. Why doesn't your cycle consist of HCG?? Poorly planned thats why.
7. I love when guys your age say that they are hitting a wall. I am 100% sure you have not hit a wall naturally. Post up what you eat in a day and what your goals are. Also included all macros and your TDEE.
8. Post your training split so we can see what you are doing for training.

Remember, I have known some pro bodybuilders in my life time that didn't know very much shit about cycling. YOU need to research and make the best informed decision. At your age, it will be a regret you will have. You theoretically should have good testosterone levels naturally. So you think by taking steroids it will magically make you get over that hump. This boils down to diet and your training. I promise you that you are severely lacking in that department. You realize its also not just about injecting something and getting massive. You will shut yourself down and you might be unlucky enough to never recover and have to be on injections the rest of your life. I started young at your age and I regret it to this day. I thought I knew everything about diet and training. Boy was I wrong. Hold off on this cycle.
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I was exactly looking for a detailed response like this.
I have read about the HPTA and the feedback loop,Which i thought PCT(nolva nd clomid)restored,i guess its the HCG,corrected.
BF% was an issue for me too,i have just planned this cycle,would have lowered before actually getting into it
I looked up many times,test only cycles were suggested but addition of dbol etc were optional,since i dont plan to have frequent or many cycles i thought i ll do the full cycle.
Point noted-Use of HCG is necessary(i only read that HCG wasnt completely important,thanks for correcting)
I am eating around half kg chicken breast with 3 scoops of whey protein,10 egg whites, 64g(2 servings) peanut butter,milk and loads of carbs(rice,potatoes and oats) daily.
There is an occassional cheat meal here n there but i get around 200g of protein daily with around 400g of carbs(on a bulk right now).
Training split is:
Day1:Chest
Day2:Back n biceps
Day3:Off
Day4:Shoulder n triceps
Day:5Legs
Day6: off
Repeat.
I am looking for help and suggestions and your experience is certainly making me think again!
So its a complete no-no as of now?
Thank you for a detailed reply!
 
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NutellaKiller said:
1 RPM would be higher but i guess 2 years into it at 19 y/o its decent eh?
Any suggestions about the cycle?
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At 19, I was hitting 275 for 5 on bench. 405 for 5 on deads and 415 for 5 on squat. I was also heading into my first year of college football.

You also mentioned you thought a dbol only cycle, or any other AAS, without test would be better for your age. You've GOT to be an idiot to post that with a freaking sticky titled, "FIRST AAS CYCLE" right in front of your face.

Do not cycle right now. You're not ready.
 
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Fieldsy said:
At 19, I was hitting 275 for 5 on bench. 405 for 5 on deads and 415 for 5 on squat. I was also heading into my first year of college football.

You also mentioned you thought a dbol only cycle, or any other AAS, without test would be better for your age. You've GOT to be an idiot to post that with a freaking sticky titled, "FIRST AAS CYCLE" right in front of your face.

Do not cycle right now. You're not ready.
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I cant compare to everyone,i am stronger than any other guy of my age i know,my legs are weak because I got rammed into by car.So have just started squatting again 1 month ago.
Talking about first 'AAS' cycle..everywhere i looked up
500mg test with dbol or a relevant compound is what i got maximum times,i understand i could improve it with HCG and AI,which now i will,whenever i cycle.Or
Should the first cycle be test only?With HCG and AI running along.
 
NutellaKiller said:
I cant compare to everyone,i am stronger than any other guy of my age i know,my legs are weak because I got rammed into by car.So have just started squatting again 1 month ago.
Talking about first 'AAS' cycle..everywhere i looked up
500mg test with dbol or a relevant compound is what i got maximum times,i understand i could improve it with HCG and AI,which now i will,whenever i cycle.Or
Should the first cycle be test only?With HCG and AI running along.
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Bro, I cycled young, I'm telling you, DO NOT CYCLE right now.

My joints ache, my body symmetry is off, my levels aren't on point, my dad and brothers are 6'1 +, and I'm 5'10.5. Besides those, I can probably bet a lot of things with my system inside my body are screwed too. And I'm only 22! Let your body DEVELOP. You're not done growing.

I wish I listened when people told me not to cycle, and I'm sure many others agree.
 
Yoda: Why wish you become Jedi?
Luke: Well, mostly because of my father, I guess.
Yoda: Ahh... father. Powerful Jedi was he. Powerful Jedi.
Luke: [suspcious] Oh, come on! How can you know my father? You don't even know who I am. Oh, I don't even know what I'm doing here! We're wasting our time!
Yoda: [Looking away from Luke] I cannot teach him. The boy has no patience.
Obi-Wan: [voice-over] He will learn patience.
Yoda: Much anger in him... like his father.
Obi-Wan: [voice] Was I any different when you taught me?
 
NutellaKiller said:
Hey guys,new to the board!
I have done my research and i think have gained enough knowledge about roids.
I am 19(soon to be 20) been lifting for 2 years.
Height:6'
Weight-81KG(179 lbs)
BF% should be around 18%
I have a older(around 40)and experienced friend at the gym and i am planning this cycle under his guidance:
Week 1- 200mg Test-E(in total)and 20mg dbol ed
Week 2- 300mg Test E 20mg dbol ed
Week 3 -500mg Test-E 30mg dbol ed
Week 4-6 -500mg Test E 30mg dbol ed
Week 6-12 500mg test E
PCT:Nolvadex and clomid (in hand during cycle too if any gyno shows up)
Will take liv.52 through out the cycle as well
I am open for all suggestions and inputs,i know i might be young for many but i feel i have reached a pause and need an extra kick
My lifts are strong..
225x4 bench
310x2 Dead
225x6 squats(never really upped the weight)
The initial intake i have planned is because my friend advised to start on low and then gradually increase.
Inputs and suggestions appreciated!
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For one, you're too young. Second you're too fat. I'm pretty straight forward. That test and dbol are going to be like an estro-bomb going off in your body. Also your cycle wasn't put together very well at all. If he set that up he has no business giving advice to anyone. I would also like to add that your lifts are not strong at all. You haven't Eve hit 1000 pounds total between all three major lifts. When I was 19 I was close to 1300. Now all that being said, if you run this you're going to wreck your body dude. I out more shit inside my body by the time I was 21 I had hit more compounds than most 30 year olds. I am now on trt at 22 and will be a slave to the needle for the rest of my life. You do not want that.
 
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