First time post

[dlb1972]

Hello all,
Been reading and researching for a bit and decided to post and see if anyone can relate. First off don't want to make the post into a novel but its a fairly in depth subject. So I apologize in advance if I seem to ramble will try not to break forum rules. I am 41 years old from western Canada the oil province to be a bit more specific. Worked out religiously 20 years ago but got away from it for certain reasons. I was diagnosed with RRMS when I was 20. In case your not familiar RRMS=relapsing remitting multiple sclerosis. Am one of the luck ones though hasn't had a major impact on my life (yet). Have never ran a cycle of anything but has always interested me. Now before everyone jumps all over me and says are you stupid,crazy etc etc lol hold your thoughts please. I am not talking about getting on a cycle asap. Researching and asking questions at this point. I have always taken a very knowledge based approach to my disease and health. Its crucial for having a good relationship with doctors. If anyone on here has had to deal with some of the gods(neurologists) you know what I am talking about. Anyway after a 20 year layoff lol I am going to start slowly hitting the gym again. Pacing myself at a good speed to not overdue things. Which led me to this site which I have to say is great. Much respect to the moderators here they seem very knowledgeable. Funny as f*** at times too when ripping on guys about oral cycles lol. Let me tell you I can relate to those oral guys though!! You would not believe the amount of ms patients who struggle with needles!! The 4 major drugs to treat ms are injectables and oral is the holy grail of ms drugs because of the needles. The interferon drugs have nasty side effects. I have had my GP inject me once a week for the past 10 years. Anyways back on track lol ya I ramble on so what screw you lol. Been researching allot on testosterone and MS. Seems it has a very protective role in the CNS. There have been studies on its benefits. MS causes number one fatigue, loss in cognitive thinking, muscle atrophy, and the list goes on and on. Studies have shown very positive effects on allot of ms related problems with testosterone replacement. Studies have also shown the majority of men with ms have low T. So on my monday visit for my interferon shot I am going to throw the idea out there about low T. Get it tested and go from there. If it is low and the doc is willing to work with me in 6 to 12 months maybe I can kill two birds with one stone? Maybe help protect my CNS a little, start turning back the atrophy, better overall felling, etc etc etc. So after the novel I wrote lol my question is anyone relate to this? Anyone have any experience with this? Its about knowledge and being as informed as we can be......thats the key!! Thanks guys oh and of course gals.

 

[Oldskool954]

Your case Is pretty unique and your thread heading isn't exactly cohesive with the short novel you wrote. I can't give you advice on your situation but I will say if you have or are recommended to a dr. Willing to give you trt. I'm willing to bet he would have plenty of info on how it will help you. Also considering your situation I'd be accepting dr. orders and dr. orders only not info from a forum. I wish you luck and good health!

 

[dlb1972]

Thanks Oldskool954 I agree. Have to always work with my doctors. Have great relationship with them so thats cool. I am more wondering if anyone on here is in similar situation. I have heard of guys with ms having really good success with anabolic. Would never take anything without Docs knowing. Its too serious to fool with. Hey by the way try and make sure the sunshine state stays that way for a bit no rain!! Will be there for the 500 soon

 

[Oldskool954]

That's cool the weather has been great a lil rainy lately but it's not noticeable. You end up walking outside and your like hey the grounds wet. When did it rain? Either way enjoy the 500 and good luck with the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) endevor.

 

[old&stacked]

It seems like your aproach is very well thought out and youbhave done your research soecially concerning your diseas and what it can do for you. Working with yiur doctor is key. Sometimws they seem to gwt in the way but more times tgan not they have a better idea of whata good for you. I was supposed to be on a bi-weekly shotnof test cyp 250 but after my first labs and my doc aeen how my hormones where all.over the place he uptwd it to weekly shots. I am more in the mental health side of the hkuse aince i suffer from mentalnhaelthnissues and had to doa ton of research before opting to go on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) because of my issues. Didnt want to hurt one issue for the sake of the other.

If u could give us links to what u have researched so we can make ourself knowledgeable also it would be grand.
Good luck to u and hopes of a long a healthy as possible exhistance for you. I do hope that this helps you out as much as possible if your able to get on an HRT.

 

[dlb1972]

Thanks Oldskool954 go to the July 4th race every year but haven't been to the 500 since 93 so pretty pumped. As far as my endeavor goes I guess Mondays appointment for Avonex shot will tell the tale.

 

[dlb1972]

Thanks for the reply and compliment old&stacked. Yes I and as I can see also you have taken an active role in our treatments. I feel that not enough people do that when it comes to their health. They just rely totally on the MD to decide what best and not investigate on their own. While trusting your doc is 1st and foremost the more we educate ourselves the better. So what the hell if I can get a doc to prescribe and monitor why not. Win win all around I think. Possible help my illness and of course aid in my workouts and well being. As far as the research goes if you look up low test effects on MS you will see the studies. How test affects the central nervous system is also a good place to look. Some of its anecdotal evidence but some is not. Is there a reason that more women are diagnosed with ms than men? Test a factor in that? Why do women's ms flare up decrease with pregnancy? Hormones play a more important role than most realize. Now for the real question...If test on lower side and doc still wont work with me do I try a UGL ?

 

[old&stacked]

Hey brother try the doc first then if u get no satisfaction go with an ugl. That being said you want to make sure that the ugl ur getting gear from ia reputable. Since you already oin there should be no issues in finding them. The oyher issues with ugls is dossage. Some are spot in some are off andsme are over. That is another contention that you willbhave to deal with. Am lucky since I get pharm grade gear from the doc and its quality and spot on. I tried to circumvent my doc before the weekly shots and I ended throwing it away because my buddy got the same gear I got and he said it was woefully under dosed after his blood test. So tgose are some of the issues. Another if u have not read yet one of the guys here had a hair inside his gear. So while no ugl gear is done in a steril lab with guys and gals in white coats. You do have to be vigilant. Il also start lokkibg up some of the info u have posted. I know that hormones have a lot to do with mental health yet I did not know how crucial they where to the CNS.

Good luck.

 

[dlb1972]

Hear ya old&stacked about the UGL,s. I had mo idea the market is what it is until I dove into it. Suppliers are a crap shoot maze online. There agree 100's if not thousands online. Then the labs are another issue. Best to have legit from Doc no doubt about it. Found one site and gave the website address to a guy that works for me. He ordered paid with credit card and had his package in about 2 weeks. Starting his cycle in 2 weeks so we will see if the stuff is legit. Still amazed it made it through customs. Had no idea there were holes that big in our customs. has HRT helped a great deal with what was going on with you? I won't ask you specifically what it was in a public forum. I take 2 different anti depressants at the moment. Doc thinks its a good idea and so do I actually. Ms can cause depression in people. They don't know if its a brain chemistry thing or just the fact you have it and how it can impact your life. I expect it is a little of both. Really there are not to many answers to anything when it comes to MS.

 

[old&stacked]

DlB,

Hey dis some reading up on MS and test and how it helps out with it also brain activity and degenerarion. I did a post a while back that dealth with that and how really the industry pumps animals full of estrogen amd how badly we suffer from depression. I take an amti depresant and a mood stabalizer for PTSD. I have dwindled down my anti depresant to minimal dose since starting my HRT and my mood stabalizer has been lnly on a need to basis like if I have issues sleeping or nigjtmares.

I know that the lack of testoaterone on males now a days is whats causing alot of these issues with the CNS and depression. If you look back in history womem have always been the ones who jave had issies with depression amd suffered from MS a lot more then men. Nowore and more men after the age of 40 are being diagnosed with MS coinciding with the drop off of testosterone or lack there of andany mem who are diagnosed with depression have some type or other of low test production or high estrogen.production.



The way I see it and more and more it becomes aparent that big pharma is making big money on the meat industries use of grossly large amounts of estrogen to male animals grow. How in the hell donu get chickens to grow fast enough in 3months to slaughter and feed anyone naturally. You cant amd tgis goes straigjt into our food chain and our bodies. We as a public have tobdo kore our children are going to be effected even more. And its not just men more issues with women and breast cancer.

I hope thatbwe can keep in touch and keep updating this board on the progress we make on both ends. Its nice to see other men who are afflicted and are taking some matters on their own hands to change it. But again change

I think that going with your dock is the way to go. Once you start on a test replaxement talk to your payc on starting to cut down on your antisepresents and see whatbhe says. I personally did not want to do that because of my educational amd knowledge background. I have also cut down on chickem amd do more turkey. And wild fish not farm fish.

Lets keep this board updated on our progress and see where it takes us. Maybe we cna start changing mids on testosterone use in the publics eye and see we are not rabid hormone raging animals but educted men who want nothing more than a healthy and good standard of living.

When ur able to lets start to pm brother.

 

[dlb1972]

For sure will update what doc has to say tomorrow. Seems like not to many on here have an opinion on this subject. I know there are very knowledgeable people on here when it comes to hrt. Are many on here under the impression that hrt is solely for getting big?? That is also my goal but well being and disease management are at the top of the list too. Not to sure what the deal is with private messages Old&Stacked ? I received a PM and responded but not sure if it sent. So tried again and the system said I do not have permission.

 

[old&stacked]

For sure will update what doc has to say tomorrow. Seems like not to many on here have an opinion on this subject. I know there are very knowledgeable people on here when it comes to hrt. Are many on here under the impression that hrt is solely for getting big?? That is also my goal but well being and disease management are at the top of the list too. Not to sure what the deal is with private messages Old&Stacked ? I received a PM and responded but not sure if it sent. So tried again and the system said I do not have permission.

You have to have so many post before being able to pm. It keeps kids iduits and trouble makers away. And many people here are vwry knowledgeable but dont want to give advise when jt comws to thinga like this because really many people arw not affected by it and thus not posting is better than postimg and looking foolish and thats ok. The old addage is better thought if as a fool than to open your mouth and provw them right. Lol. You will see that many folks on thia forum actually the majoritu will help you with advise when it comes to test. Give them time they will warm up to you. With everything it takes time. Stick around brother. Folks will more and more make your aquaintance. A lot of top notch quality people.

 

[dlb1972]

Understandable I know I am in the minority on here with my condition. Kinda surprises me a little though as the interest in anabolics,weight training and ms has been around a long time. Add to that the dam near epidemic or so it seems of ms cases here in the great white north is growing. Maybe my thread would have been better suited to the clinic forum? Good idea about the minimum post numbers and sending a PM.

 

[dlb1972]

Nice dog in your avatar ridgeback

 

[dlb1972]

Well Doc agrees very good idea to get blood work done. Says more and more men my age are asking about this. Of course the awareness of low t is higher now more that ever. Probably have to wait two weeks to get results from lab back. Apparently for a testosterone level test the blood work goes to the provincial lab. So will be pretty interesting what the numbers come back at and docs opinion. The more I research this the more apparent testosterone is to our well being mentally and physically.