First Timer needs HELP! Epistane and Test (Enanthate) Combo

[Marketsurfer]

Hi everyone,

If anyone can give me some advice it would be greatly appreciated. Currently this is what my Cycle looks like - feedback again would be great.

Weeks 1 -3
40mg Epistane per day
2 scoops of Aromatase inhibitor (AI) Sports 'Cycle Support' per day
1 scoop of L-Taurine per day
3 Milk Thistle Tablets (7000mg x 3)
1 x Multivitamin + 2000mg Fish Oil

Weeks 3 - 6
40mg Epistane per day
2 scoops of Aromatase inhibitor (AI) Sports 'Cycle Support' per day
1 scoop of L-Taurine per day
3 Milk Thistle Tablets (7000mg x 3)
1 x Multivitamin + 2000mg Fish Oil
+ 250mg Test Enanthate (inject) Twice per week

Weeks 6 -12
No Epistane
1 scoop of L-Taurine per day
3 Milk Thistle Tablets (7000mg x 3)
1 x Multivitamin + 2000mg Fish Oil
+ 250 mg Test Cypionate (inject) Twice per week

Weeks 12-15
PCT Clomid
3 Milk Thistle Tablets (7000mg x 3)
1 x Multivitamin + 2000mg Fish Oil


I wanted to know if this looks OK - was a little worried about waiting until week 12 to run PCT as I am doing both Epistane and Test Enanthate at the same time- thoughts? Yes I am new so feel free to rip the shit outa me - I can see it coming, but if it helps me, then I don't give a shit - rip away!

 

[creekrat]

I'd say drop the epistane and go with 250 mg twice per week of test e for 12 weeks and start pct 2 weeks after last pin. May want to run nolva with the clomid

 

[Marketsurfer]

OK - just curious as to why I'd be dropping the Epistane now when it's generally week 3 that you get most of your gains (week three of 6 week cycle) - just seems like a waste to drop it now. But if there is a reason I really would like to know

 

[noway55]

Stats?
Are you saying you're 3 weeks into your cycle?

most people would recommend that you just run test only for your first cycle.

 

[Marketsurfer]

Hi Noway,

Currently in week 4 of Cycle so have injected twice with 250mg test enanthate. Not a massive guy - started out at 82kgs now am sitting on 87.5 kgs and trying to maintain 1.5grams of protein per kilo of weight so taking around 4 protein shakes + meals and supps per day.

 

[creekrat]

Because of the esters in the test it takes about 4 weeks from the first injection to start getting results. So if you just had your first week of test you can expect little if any gains from it til about 3 weeks from now. It's best to run your first cycle test only. Later when frontloading you would take something like dbol for weeks 1-4 and the test for weeks 1-12. This way you start seeing gains almost immediately and then you're of the dbol when the test kicks in

 

[noway55]

Hi Noway,

Currently in week 4 of Cycle so have injected twice with 250mg test enanthate. Not a massive guy - started out at 82kgs now am sitting on 87.5 kgs and trying to maintain 1.5grams of protein per kilo of weight so taking around 4 protein shakes + meals and supps per day.

Since you're already in week 4 I wouldn't drop the epi until the end of week 4 when the test starts to kick in. You could run it into week 6, but epi can be pretty harsh and the test should be kicking in.

 

[noway55]

Also, 4 protein shakes in a day is a lot. You should be getting most of your calories from good clean food. 1-2 shakes a day max, real food is always better.

Uhh.. did you mess up in your first post, or are you saying that you were on only epi for the first 3 weeks and no test?

 

[MrMitcheyBoy]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ x2 on the protein shakes. 1 post workout is all you should need or if you really need a rush meal

 

[Marketsurfer]

Hi Everyone,

Thanks for the heads up - Noway - no, wasn't an error - I wanted to run a 6 week eppi cycle, however mid way through I decided to start my test cycle (so basically there will be 3 weeks where I take both). Do you believe I should drop the eppi after 4 weeks? i.e a week from now?

 

[noway55]

You should have started them at the same time, but it's too late for that. What's done is done. As long as you're not having liver/BP issues from the epi, might as stay on it for another week until the test kicks in.

 

[thades]

Should be Nolva and Clomid post cycle therapy (pct). Why not?

 

[Marketsurfer]

Most guys that I know here in Sydney only run either Clomid OR Nolva for post cycle therapy (pct) - what is the science for using both when they do pretty much the exact same thing??

>> So... just checking - I am now on second week of Test E and week 4 of Eppi, so drop the Eppi at the end of this week and just use Test ? Any feedback would be great - really appreciate it. Weight now 89.4kgs - gain of 7.4 kgs in 4 weeks (probably a lot of fluid but feels good!)

 

[creekrat]

Most guys that I know here in Sydney only run either Clomid OR Nolva for PCT - what is the science for using both when they do pretty much the exact same thing??

Yes and no. They both obatin similar goals but in slightly different ways

 

[Marketsurfer]

Thanks for the feedback guys - really appreciate it. So one final question. Should I finish my epi cycle this week at 4 weeks? (would have been on test for 2 weeks) - also had a complete blow - hurt my right shoulder while training.... not good, plan on giving it a rest for the next week and see how things go.