Gaining Naturally First To Limit vs Not

[Oakmuscle]

The smart and educated bodybuilders will say to wait to, or close to your genetic potential before starting a cycle. My question is, why? After some time off gear your eventually only going to be able to maintain your genetic limits amount of muscle anyway, without using more gear. So why do they reccommend this.

If you have two identical twins. Both start at 170lbs. Subject A and B.

Subject A: Trains naturally for 5 years to hit genetic limit of 210lbs. Then hops on 500mg of Test E and gets to 240lbs, by the end of his 12 week cycle.

Subject B: Hops on gear his first year of training. And gets to his genetic limit of 210lbs after 2 years and the completion of 2 cycles, spaced 8 months apart. So proper post cycle therapy (pct) and recovery has been ensured. Now at his genetic limit of 210lbs he hops onto a stronger cycle of test with primo/deca or whatever. He as well has gotten to 240lbs now as well. By his 3rd cycle.

Assuming both are not competing, and arent in fear of burning out early in their career. Both are average gym go-ers that would like to maintain there genetic limit of 210lbs for most of their lives. With the occasional dabble of a cycle here and there over the years. Just to push that limit, and look meaty for the summer or something.

Who is better off here?
Subject A: took 5 years to get to 210lbs off cycle / 240lbs on cycle. Doing only 1 cycle.

Subject B: took 2 years to get to 210lbs off/240lbs on cycle. Doing 3 cycles

Would both not be able to walk around at their genetic limit off cycle? And Subject B just got there faster. Or would he likely lose more as nearly all his gains came from steroids in a shorter time frame?

 

[Chi23]

one reason many will recommend not to start a cycle when you start training because those first few years you can make very good gains and it allows you to strengthen your tendons then also because with gear they dont grow as fast as muscle

 

[crazyfmike]

Shooting gear before you even know to eat and train......why?

The Smart and Educated.....why listen to them? WTF do they know?

Best to run gear for a couple years and learn all about that and then workout. Study the Mc Donalds nutrition values so you're up on diet.

Fucking Troll Shit!

 

[Oakmuscle]

Shooting gear before you even know to eat and train......why?

The Smart and Educated.....why listen to them? WTF do they know?

Best to run gear for a couple years and learn all about that and then workout. Study the Mc Donalds nutrition values so you're up on diet.

Fucking Troll Shit!

Ok someone needs to Relax. Lets assume Subject B knows how to eat and train perfectly. We could even say hes been working out for a year or even two. The point is basically, whats the point of waiting till genetic potential to juice, if your not competing, because everything >genetic potential will be lost without gear.

 

[mlupi319]

It takes years to know how your body reacts to all the various training routines and diet plans. If you jump on gear before you have found the right training/diet to reach your "natural potential" you will always be beneath that mark. For anyone who is not a pro (99% of us) you will more than likely spend more time off cycle than on cycle making training/diet more important than gear..and that 1% that goes pro training/diet is STILL MORE IMPORTANT than gear.

If you assume you have a perfect training routine and diet after 1year than ya sure jump on gear and reach your natty potential sooner and enjoy it longer, but in reality finding out how much volume, frequency, rest, total cals, macro cals, food timing, etc, etc that works best for you takes years.

 

[brother bundy]

Ok someone needs to Relax. Lets assume Subject B knows how to eat and train perfectly. We could even say hes been working out for a year or even two. The point is basically, whats the point of waiting till genetic potential to juice, if your not competing, because everything >genetic potential will be lost without gear.

You're one dumb fuck!!

 

[Duke30]

Subject A is better/gains and will hold on to the gains longer.

Having alot of receptors in the muscles as well as mitochondria inner working in the cells and having the "experience" of using sugar/lactic acids/amino acids processing.

Subject A will probably hold 240 or even 235 or even 245 and keep those gains when subject B might have to go back down to 225.

To say they both have the exactly the same type of gains and dosage isn't possible since subject A with one cycle/5 years of training might even have to do half that amount of AAS then subject B.

IMHO

And another thing is AAS work best when the body is in extremely catabolic state as if you overtrain before hopping on AAS.

Subject B with no recovery when he started to use AAS might have a little bit of a advantage in how he looks ahead of A but might lose that look faster than A because A has a better build when he started.


This is like saying which training program is better? HIT with dorian Yates hard granite look with lots of over-training technique or the Venice bodybuilder like Shawn Ray that doesn't have that extremely hard training routine. (not to say shawn didn't train hard or lifted heavy)

Case in point...Yates torn a few muscles when shawn hasn't.....You have to find a "fine walking line" in training.Yates looked better and has the title of Mr.Olympian and Shawn doesn't.