Gear virgin Test e check list FIRST CYCLE

[Dr. Steal]

Ok guys getting close to blast off.


5'10"
B.F. 13.3%
Age 31
First cycle
no health issues
current lifting stats B.P. 285, Squat 395, (Dunno why my squats are so crappy) dead lift 405, and I power clean like 245

Gear plan
week 1-14
Test E 500 mg a week (broke into 2 shots per week of course) I have a 25ml bottle and a 10 ml bottle should be plenty

week 4-(?)
Hcg this is where I need help I have 2 25 ml bottles so I have plenty but no one agrees how much and how often ANY help would be awesome!!!

I have letro on hand 100 tabs for teh bitch tits.

Pct

I will follow DocJ's Pct to the T (Clomid Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) etc) as well as all the know "natural test enhancers"

Been hitting the weights hard for 9 months 3 weeks. I lifted for most of my early to late twenties but took 3 years off due to a wrist reconstruction (5 surgeries) . Wrist got better so I began lifting again with the intent that after 10 months I was going to do a cycle.

My job is as labor intensive as it gets plus I live in east Texas so its always 105 with 99% humidity so my body fat stays in check.

I have been cleaning my diet up to the point where I only eat clean all natural stuff now. I try to eat 500 - 600 calories with 30-40 grams of protein 5 times a day .


I will pin my first shot as soon as I get the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) dosing consensus. I was concerned that I have not been lifting long enough but I feel strong and due to my job my connective tissue has been taking a beating for 7 years and I respond in the gym very well. All this being said I feel that the small amount of test coupled with the 10 months of prep and my strenuous job I will be fine....? lol


I curentally drink 2 gals of water per day . Should I up this??


What am I forgetting?? I have researched this into oblivion and feel like I have everything I need other than the dosage of hcg.. any help would be great .. Thanks guys, When I pin my first shot I will start a picture log and post it so you guys can watch my progress I know you vets dont care but for some of the new guys might and I hope to show them what to expect if they are planning a small cycle..


P.S. If acne does arise what should I go with to help control it???

 

[Misc]

first off i would get aromasin as your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) before you touch the letro since letro is a lot more powerful. also aromasin is suicidal so there isnt any estro rebound.

the HCG... i dont get what you mean by you have 25ml bottles. it usually comes in a powder and you reconstitute it with bac water and store in a fridge. also typically comes in 5000ui so you can set the concentration per ml depending on how much bacwater you add. also take 500ui a week spit into 2 doses. and take all the way up until post cycle therapy (pct) then discontinue and start your post cycle therapy (pct) with clomid. also id start it at week 2.

water intake is good at 2 gallons.

 

[Dr. Steal]

first off i would get aromasin as your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) before you touch the letro since letro is a lot more powerful. also aromasin is suicidal so there isnt any estro rebound.

the HCG... i dont get what you mean by you have 25ml bottles. it usually comes in a powder and you reconstitute it with bac water and store in a fridge. also typically comes in 5000ui so you can set the concentration per ml depending on how much bacwater you add. also take 500ui a week spit into 2 doses. and take all the way up until post cycle therapy (pct) then discontinue and start your post cycle therapy (pct) with clomid. also id start it at week 2.

water intake is good at 2 gallons.

well the 25 ml bottles I have say Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 5000IU in 25 ml of water solution I have not opened the pack yet so it may be a powder with a solution ...

So no letro just aromasin? Damm did I waste the money on the letro I was told it was the best anti estro. I almost went for the aromasin but I figgured I was "sparing no expense" oh well I want to do this right so yeah Is this the general rule of thumb ..

 

[Not7fifteen]

You can use the letro but I'd only start it if sides pop up and at a very low dose such as .5mg eod and see how that goes. While too much e2 is bad, you want to avoid crashing e2 as that is also bad and will give you dry achy joints which is especially not good on cycle.

As for the hcg, it's separate like you're thinking. However once mixed it's only good to about 30-40 days and needs to be refrigerated. If you plan to use it throughout cycle do 250-500iu between your test injections. If you mix the 5000iu powder with 2ml bac water you will have 250iu per unit on a slin pin.

You'll need more if you're going to shoot Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) throughout the cycle. If you plan to blast it pre post cycle therapy (pct), then shoot 1000iu eod for ten days before starting your clomid.

Do NOT use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during post cycle therapy (pct).

I'd go ahead and get some aromasin as it's safe to run during Pct and will prevent estrogen rebound as you won't be able to take letro during post cycle therapy (pct) and rebound is prevalent post letro bc it eliminates so much of your e2.

Sounds like you've actually done your homework, lay it out and start that shit! (assuming you've got your bloodwork already)

 

[Not7fifteen]

Also start the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) after your first pin, not at week 4 as you will begin HPTA shut down shortly after the first injection whereas you may not see visible atrophy until week 4...

You should be fine on water depending on how much you sweat out, just stay plenty hydrated and pissing clear.

 

[Not7fifteen]

I'm on 250mg twice weekly and not experiencing much acne at all, I've read aromasin is better on acne control but not sure for what reason. You may also look into toremifine for post cycle therapy (pct) as it's a breeze compared to clomid for most. Especially on post cycle therapy (pct) sides associated with post cycle therapy (pct) which generally includes acne and depression.

For smoothest post cycle therapy (pct) possible I'd run the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) throughout and blast at the end before torem.

 

[Misc]

well the 25 ml bottles I have say Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 5000IU in 25 ml of water solution I have not opened the pack yet so it may be a powder with a solution ...

So no letro just aromasin? Damm did I waste the money on the letro I was told it was the best anti estro. I almost went for the aromasin but I figgured I was "sparing no expense" oh well I want to do this right so yeah Is this the general rule of thumb ..

well generally people take letro to get rid of gyno or if you are prone to gyno on cycle. aromasin works well and is prefer ed by many on this board. i ran 12.5 eod on cycle and switched to ed when my acne was getting worse. my acne was very mild just a couple here and there until week 9-10 then the acne started to get really bad.

as for post cycle therapy (pct) i think clomid is fine. i never tried torem but i had great results with clomid and only side i had was acne. my post cycle therapy (pct) was clomid aromasin and igf1lr3.

the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) better be in powder form or else it may not be any good. once its mixed with bac water you have to keep it refrigerated cause if not there will be degradation. i think it lasts lil over 30 days once reconstituted and refrigerated.

 

[MeatHead96]

I have bharat hucog Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) that comes premixed in 2000iu bottles. I have used this for quite a while with good results. I know this stuff is fairly new. The general consensus is that once Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is mixed it is only good for about 30-40 days. The same goes for this stuff once it is opened. It doesn’t expire for like a year but once its opened it is only good for 30-40 days. I do 250iu EOD.

 

[Dr. Steal]

You can use the letro but I'd only start it if sides pop up and at a very low dose such as .5mg eod and see how that goes. While too much e2 is bad, you want to avoid crashing e2 as that is also bad and will give you dry achy joints which is especially not good on cycle.

As for the hcg, it's separate like you're thinking. However once mixed it's only good to about 30-40 days and needs to be refrigerated. If you plan to use it throughout cycle do 250-500iu between your test injections. If you mix the 5000iu powder with 2ml bac water you will have 250iu per unit on a slin pin.

You'll need more if you're going to shoot hcg throughout the cycle. If you plan to blast it pre post cycle therapy (pct), then shoot 1000iu eod for ten days before starting your clomid.

Do NOT use hcg during pct.

I'd go ahead and get some aromasin as it's safe to run during Pct and will prevent estrogen rebound as you won't be able to take letro during post cycle therapy (pct) and rebound is prevalent post letro bc it eliminates so much of your e2.

Sounds like you've actually done your homework, lay it out and start that shit! (assuming you've got your bloodwork already)

What should I be looking for once I get the ruslts of the blood work??? what are the redflags?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

nothing wrong with taking letro for preventative measures. Start with .625 or 1/4 pill or 1/4 whatever it is E3D. it lowers PGR too. its actually a very cost efficient AI.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

I have bharat hucog hcg that comes premixed in 2000iu bottles. I have used this for quite a while with good results. I know this stuff is fairly new. The general consensus is that once hcg is mixed it is only good for about 30-40 days. The same goes for this stuff once it is opened. It doesn’t expire for like a year but once its opened it is only good for 30-40 days. I do 250iu EOD.

Hucog is only good for 28 days, pregnyl is good for 60. Also what is definition of good? its not gonna go bad to where you cant use it.

 

[MeatHead96]

By good I mean it should keep its potency for about this amount of time once the premixed bottle has been opened. Yes you could still use it but it would not be effective after it has lost its potency.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

By good I mean it should keep its potency for about this amount of time once the premixed bottle has been opened. Yes you could still use it but it would not be effective after it has lost its potency.

it barely loses effectiveness. you know how the PHARM is about meds, its fine after, trust me. like it might go from 250iu per 10 unit to 230 iu per 10 unit. after a month or 2 of being old, its not really that big of a deal.

 

[MeatHead96]

it barely loses effectiveness. you know how the PHARM is about meds, its fine after, trust me. like it might go from 250iu per 10 unit to 230 iu per 10 unit. after a month or 2 of being old, its not really that big of a deal.

Hmm good to know, thanks for the input. I was always a little unsure on the exact length of time that it would still be effective.

 

[animaljack]

calorie intake

if I read your post correctly you said that you try and eat 2500-3000 cals a day? I don't think that's enough bro. I would eat at least 3500 when you're on.

 

[Not7fifteen]

Yea i agree on the caloric intake also. As for the blood work you want to e sure your creatinine (liver function) is good before starting an oral, also you'll want to know where your test and estrogen is precycle so you know if you bounced back or not after the post pct bloodwork.

 

[Dr. Steal]

Ok guys thanks for the info . I really wanted to do all "base covering" before I posted this but I am still learning . I did not want to run one of those " First cycle please help my nips itch " threads.


How the fuck do you guys eat so damm much I mean anybody can eat 15 honeybuns and get the cals but I have to force myself to get 3500 clean calories down.. I am hoping that my appitite will increase as my cycle progresses?>?>?

What about pot ? I remember it making me want to eat everything in sight? Is it considered a no no to smoke weed while trying to get in the best shape of your life? lol

Now I am just waiting for my Aromatase inhibitor (AI) I had it express mailed to me for an extra 24 dollars so as soon as that gets in Ill start my log with pics ..


Really appreciate you guys Its nice to come to a forum where they dont label you a moron right off the bat lol ...

Oh and one more thing Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) or no I have the stuff but I have people saying yes take it from week 1 and I also have people saying no don't worrie about it for a basic test E just pct like you are supposed to.

 

[Dr. Steal]

Yea i agree on the caloric intake also. As for the blood work you want to e sure your creatinine (liver function) is good before starting an oral, also you'll want to know where your test and estrogen is precycle so you know if you bounced back or not after the post pct bloodwork.

Ok and what do I ask for when I go to the doc??? "Hey I am planning on doing some anabolics and need the corresponding blood test" lol . Is there a name for the blood test or is it just a basic hormone assessment?

 

[Repo]

it barely loses effectiveness. you know how the PHARM is about meds, its fine after, trust me. like it might go from 250iu per 10 unit to 230 iu per 10 unit. after a month or 2 of being old, its not really that big of a deal.

Always great advise DET!

LOL- by the way what ya run'n - hmm ... "Tren?"

VROM VROM ... "it's my favorite!"

 

[Not7fifteen]

Ok and what do I ask for when I go to the doc??? "Hey I am planning on doing some anabolics and need the corresponding blood test" lol . Is there a name for the blood test or is it just a basic hormone assessment?

Check out the "get bloodwork cheap..." sticky up top, register at privatemdlabs.com and schedule a "female hormone panel" at the closest labcorp location. My doc wouldn't run blood without just cause so I did it through labcorp and it's under $60... No questions asked, you're there for about 10min if that and out the door. Ive done it twice now, super easy. And the "female hormone panel" won't be a problem even though you are male trust me, and it will have all the things I mentioned and more. You can do the male panel but the only added benefit is free test and shbg really that will be of use and it cost 3x as much...