Going to do a first cycle - cutting.

[Jedstar30]

So I have decided I want to do my first steroid cycle and I have decided I want it to be a cut. I will be following a strict diet for 6 weeks, lots of cardio with weights a couple of times a week. I'm 5'10 180 pounds 13% BF, 30 years old. I'd like to be about 165 pounds 9% when I'm finnished.

The reason I would like to do a cut is because I want a good solid base before I start bulking, ultra lean. And I just want it to get my head really into getting used to strict diets/training/dedication. Then will be the part I've always found hard bulking, I've always struggled to gain much muscle and always gained a lot of fat at the same time, so will be looking to use steroids in helping me do this. But first I'm using this cut as a kind of trial to see how I do with them and just get a little used to it.

I will be looking to inject only, orally seemed the easier option but I figure If I'm going to do this I'm going to do it the right way and not a pussy half assed way.

I will have Chlomid and Nolvadex on hand for PCT and will be using Tudca/Milk thistle for liver support (if needed), also I will be using 2% nizoral shampoo/ninoxidl and sawpalmetto for a little hair protection (I'm in the top % of hairlines though, No male pattern baldness in my family and have a real thick hairline so shouldnt be much of a worry.)


Now I'm thinking of doing Testosterone Propionate 100mg every 3 days for 6 weeks, but I'm a little unsure of what I'd like to do along side this? Masteron? Alphabolin (Methenolone Enanthate) ? Clenbuteral? Mastebolin (Drostanolone Propionate)? Anavar? Trenbolone?

Which would be my best combo to use alongside in a 6 week cycle? Many thanks.

 

[Roush]

Now I'm thinking of doing Testosterone Propionate 100mg every 3 days for 6 weeks, but I'm a little unsure of what I'd like to do along side this? Masteron? Alphabolin (Methenolone Enanthate) ? Clenbuteral? Mastebolin (Drostanolone Propionate)? Anavar? Trenbolone?

Which would be my best combo to use alongside in a 6 week cycle? Many thanks.

you don't need anything along side test for your first cycle. BUT you do need more test then 200+ mg a week. AND I don't recommend test prop for a first cycle, your gonna have plenty of injection pain with it being you have 'virgin' muscles and prop needs injected eod. Its best to go with a longer ester test that only needs injected 1-2 times a week like cypionate.

I'd run test c or test e at 500 mg a week for 10+ weeks. You'll need an AI at that dose as well. better liver support would be Liv52 and NAC (though you won't really need it with a long ester testosterone that only passes the liver once and at a very limited slow basis, but still not a bad idea to run live support).

as far as cutting or bulking, its gonna all be dependent on your diet and training more then it is on what AAS you use. but test only for the first cycle is the way to go period

 

[Briant_Gumble]

Is it worth it for a six week cycle?

Why not extend 10-12 weeks.

 

[Mountain-Man]

Agree with both of u cyp 500 10-12 weeks diet is the key to any cycle

 

[Jedstar30]

Thanks for the advice just trying to do as much research as possible before I jump in.

The reason I say 6 weeks is because I want to get ripped and rid of this chubbyness before I start bulking and that is how long it will take me to get to 9/10% body fat. If I can do that naturally with hard work and diet do you think I should use nothing during my cut? Then just use 500mg test after for 10-12 weeks after to bulk?? Also would 500mg be a little on the high side? And how much excess calories would I need to eat weekly for maximum results in a good diet/training during that bulk?? 1 or 2 pounds a week?

 

[Roush]

Is it worth it for a six week cycle?

Why not extend 10-12 weeks.

6-8 weeks with a test propionate blast at 600mg a week is plenty. you'll get good results in a short time and you'll be able to recover hpta faster with a shorter cycle. BUT, that is not for a first cycle or beginner cycle, imo. your right, 10-12 weeks of a longer ester test is best for a first cycle. 6 weeks is barely enough time for things to get going

 

[Roush]

Thanks for the advice just trying to do as much research as possible before I jump in.

The reason I say 6 weeks is because I want to get ripped and rid of this chubbyness before I start bulking and that is how long it will take me to get to 9/10% body fat. If I can do that naturally with hard work and diet do you think I should use nothing during my cut? Then just use 500mg test after for 10-12 weeks after to bulk?? Also would 500mg be a little on the high side? And how much excess calories would I need to eat weekly for maximum results in a good diet/training during that bulk?? 1 or 2 pounds a week?

2 goals, with one beginner cycle is asking a lot. You should use your first cycle for ONE specific goal in mind, either to bulk or to cut, not both.

you can cut right now just fine without running AAS. get diet and training in line and cut to your desired BF%, then afterwards lean bulk from there running your fist cycle. but i would not try to do both at once with one cycle.


edit note: 500 mg is NOT on the high side, its on the 'just right' side imo. 200 mg is what guys run who are on testosterone replacement therapy, 1000 mg is what some pro's run. 500 mg is just right for a first cycle

 

[Jedstar30]

Well I've never had a problem cutting, I will get down to 9/10% naturally within the next 6 weeks. I think your right there's no point in me using steroids just for the sake of making my cut a little easier or to get there a bit faster, I will save it for when I'm ready to bulk

Thinking about it I think it would probably crazy to waste my first ever cycle on a cut, when I should get big gaines on a bulk!

For that 10-12 week bulk should I just go crazy and eat at about 1000 calories excess for maximum gaines (obviously clean food with about 300-400g orotein weekly)???

Then obviously bulks/cycles after can be a bit more modest.

And would it be worth getting blood tests before and after any cycle? To check test levels/liver function etc...?

 

[Matt0071]

Your first cycle.should be your best.cycle, no.sense.of.doing a.cut.with all.that extra.test floating.around.your system,.mass.up brother, keep it lean.as possible and enjoy the ride,.u gonna feel.and fuck like.a.supastar, better have a gf or a girl lined up.as well

 

[Jedstar30]

Hehe can't wait brutha !

 

[Matt0071]

And I read your last statement on your first post
Obviously u have to.inject, u have.to use testosterone.as a.base in any cycle bro, as u brought up orals, to the one that run oral only cycles end up fuckin themselves even.more bro, testosterone always.for a base bro, " no.oral only cycles" pussy's

 

[Roush]

Well I've never had a problem cutting, I will get down to 9/10% naturally within the next 6 weeks. I think your right there's no point in me using steroids just for the sake of making my cut a little easier or to get there a bit faster, I will save it for when I'm ready to bulk

Thinking about it I think it would probably crazy to waste my first ever cycle on a cut, when I should get big gaines on a bulk!

For that 10-12 week bulk should I just go crazy and eat at about 1000 calories excess for maximum gaines (obviously clean food with about 300-400g orotein weekly)???

Then obviously bulks/cycles after can be a bit more modest.

And would it be worth getting blood tests before and after any cycle? To check test levels/liver function etc...?

anabolics do NOT burn fat. the benefit to cutting while using AAS is to maintain muscle and stay anti-catabolic while going into a calorie deficit for the cut. You can cut just fine without anabolics, you'll just loose a bit of muscle, but that is really going to depend on diet and training.

on the other hand, you CAN bulk with anabolics. on cycle you will stay in an anabolic state and you will build muscle. so YES I would def save your fist cycle for the bulking phase.

yes you should get blood work before your cycle to get a base line. you'll want to know that your PCT was adequate and your hpta recovered. without pre cycle bloods and a baseline you will have no clue.

as far as 1000 calories excess for the bulk and eating 'clean', that is really dependent on a lot of things.

 

[Jedstar30]

Cheers appreciate the quality advice I'm getting here. Yeah thought It would be less daunting doing oral only, but what to choose - oral and fuck your liver up or inject and not fuck ya liver up? lol. Yeah will remember to always use test for a base.

Right I will be back in about 6 weeks and post how my 1st cycle will be going down.

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

This is just a mistake. You dont need to cycle to loose weight. Just pay for a diet consultant and get your diet in check you can be right where you want and you dont have mess with you hormones.

 

[tbonexl]

Cheers appreciate the quality advice I'm getting here. Yeah thought It would be less daunting doing oral only, but what to choose - oral and fuck your liver up or inject and not fuck ya liver up? lol. Yeah will remember to always use test for a base.

Right I will be back in about 6 weeks and post how my 1st cycle will be going down.

Your kinda missing the point being made with oral only cycles. Yes, orals are toxic to the liver. They also shut down your natural test production. Everything shuts down your natural test production. Test is used as a base to replace your natural test which is needed in a male. It would be kinda pointless to run 200mgs of test per week because that would put your test levels at about where you are naturally. Making sense now?