got questions, first cycle.

[winningCS]

Alrighty ill start out with the stats as it looks like it is requested on almost every single post i have read haha im 5'8 181.3lbs bf last i checked was 11 something %. I am 22 about to turn 23 in Sept. I was track sprinter for 2 years in Colorado before loosing my scholarship due to a tore leg muscle. had the surgery and doing great 2 years later. i have been lifting consistantly 4-5 days a week for the past 6 years. i have a strict diet, i am going to school to finish up my degree in nutrition. i take in around 4200 a day, 2 cheat days a week i cant help it im in college give me a break im broke. current lifts are as follows
bench: 315x4
squat: 395 was 435 before i tore my muscle
deads: 415x3

i have been lurking around here for a few months now just reading and what not but here is what i have came up with please any help is great. I am really interested in doing this so please any info will be great. thanks

-test E 250x2 a week(mon and thur) 10 weeks
-run adex eod or e3d i have had gyno from puberty so i am not going to take the chance by not running it. maybe 12.5 at first then bump up to .25 or .5 if needed.

PCT
-nolva and clomid. however i was looking into toremifene citrate i read that it is alot better less sides, but i also heard that it can cause some vision problems.

As well i believe ill be using a 22-23g 1in. I am looking at Z and a UGL a friend knows forget the name at the moment. any thing else please feel free to ask. thanks

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[winningCS]

oh also my friend recommened i do test/tren/winny and the clen/t3 towards the end. After lurking around here for a few months i am very grateful i did not make the commitment right then. even though the tren sounds wonderful haha can wait till i get a few cycles under my belt and give it a try.

 

[zepplin92]

Seems solid, but I would personally start the adex at .25mg from the first day you inject. Also, if you could, run the test for 12 weeks as 12 weeks is pretty standard, if not no biggie, 10 is good.

Also, lol'd at your friend for recommending tren for a first cycle, glad you didn't listen to him.

Good luck bro!

 

[nate212]

nice ass zeppelin. quality and quanity

 

[winningCS]

can either of you tell me more about toremifene citrate like dosing and what not? i will up the adex to .25 i just didnt want to block to much ya know. as well i was wondering could i add in Winstrol (winny) tabs the last 3-4 weeks i already have the tabs i got them last year but i saved them to take with some test. Also is Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) a must in cycles or is their anything else i can take to help with the bounce back and atrophy?

 

[nate212]

can either of you tell me more about toremifene citrate like dosing and what not? i will up the adex to .25 i just didnt want to block to much ya know. as well i was wondering could i add in Winstrol (winny) tabs the last 3-4 weeks i already have the tabs i got them last year but i saved them to take with some test. Also is Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) a must in cycles or is their anything else i can take to help with the bounce back and atrophy?

you can run the toremifene 60mg/day for 4 weeks or 60/60/30/30.

I like aromasin due to the fact you can run it with your pct whereas adex does=nt work well with the serms.

HCG is not absolute necessity but i think the information out there is pretty good in supporting use of it both on cycle and leading up to post cycle but stopping before post cycle. I don't know of anything that would substitute for that.

 

[zepplin92]

can either of you tell me more about toremifene citrate like dosing and what not? i will up the adex to .25 i just didnt want to block to much ya know. as well i was wondering could i add in Winstrol (winny) tabs the last 3-4 weeks i already have the tabs i got them last year but i saved them to take with some test. Also is Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) a must in cycles or is their anything else i can take to help with the bounce back and atrophy?

You really don't need Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) with a test only cycle at 10 weeks, I would use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for extended cycles or when harsher compounds are involved. You will recover fine with nolva and clomid.

 

[winningCS]

alrighty so here with everything being said and some more reading here and on another forum i have came to this.

-weeks 1-10 test E 250x2 monday and thursday
-weeks 1-10 adex .25 eod starting
-Weeks 6-10 Winstrol (winny) at 50 ed(still debating on the winny)

PCT
-aromasin for weeks 11-16(what does would be a good for this)
-clomid 50x4
-nolva 40x2 20x2
(or i will take the toremifene and do as stated above 60x2 30x2)

 

[Cobra Strike]

alrighty so here with everything being said and some more reading here and on another forum i have came to this.

-weeks 1-10 test E 250x2 monday and thursday
-weeks 1-10 adex .25 eod starting
-Weeks 6-10 Winstrol (winny) at 50 ed(still debating on the winny)

PCT
-aromasin for weeks 11-16(what does would be a good for this)
-clomid 50x4
-nolva 40x2 20x2
(or i will take the toremifene and do as stated above 60x2 30x2)

bro your just a little to young to be running aas....why dont you up your cals and grow naturally while letting your hormones mature and level out??? All you need is groceries not aas...Im surprised these guys are giving advice to a 22 year old

 

[ktek3]

your user name is awesome

 

[winningCS]

ktek3: thanks haha always winning

cobra: I have been thinking of aas sense i was 20 and i have been putting it off for almost 3 years now. and i have grown a lot sense i first thought of it. the only thing that is making me want to start now is that i have been at 4200 for almost 2.5 years now. i have grown but i have gotten to a slumb for some reason im not growing as much. as well i have added a extra cheat day to help the gain as well as adding a serious mass shake. but non the less i am eating every 4 hours expect between 11pm-7am. i have been to the doc and he said i am completely done growing growth plates are solid. my only worry is the endo system and how i would bounce back on my HPTA. i really want to make sure i get everything right just because i am looking at going to med school and i dont want to not do this right. i want to take every precaution i can. which is why i decided to do research for 2 years before even really considering it. even then i am going to wait till my birthday and use that extra cash to purchase the rest. Any advice i will take, i have tried to find research on the development of the endo and the body from ages 23-25 to better understand the difference between waiting and starting now. If anyone has found research please share a link! Thanks!


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[winningCS]

any one have any more advice or answers to the above questions?

OR
Should i give a Ph a try, like hdrol? I just have read constantly that ph dont ever keep but maybe a 8th of the weight you might gain. and its more taxing on your body than real gear. So that is why i am looking at gear over a Ph as all of the info i have read makes it seem as though it would be safer and the gains are more capable of keeping if followed by a good post cycle therapy (pct) and continued high intake of food.