got test results. need advice from the docs

[house1]

my hdl is a tad low [not real major]

my liver enzymes are way up [47 if that means anything to the docs]. i am using liv 52 right now ,



i go back aug 4 for blood work.

my total blood work is pretty damn good. my doc was happy except for the liver.

the question i dont want to ask should i come off till i get my liver enzymes down or will i beable to do it with just adding ,milk thistle, ala, and the liv 52 all at once.

any help will be much appreciated

oohhh

i am running

tren,eq,enanthate was getting ready to drop the enanthate and run prop, tren, eq, for 6 weeks then come off for a while

 

[Annonamous1]

It is strange that your liver values are up with the gear you are running. Do you drink alcohol or have you run alot of 17aa steroids in previous cycles?

 

[house1]

wartime 100 ,no alcohol and no orals bro. if they dont go down my doc wants to get a biopsy done.

 

[house1]

up

 

[bronco944]

well theres a big misconception that only 17aa orals are liver toxic. all steroids are liver toxic, just not as bad as the 17aa's. how long have you been on for? is your urine yellow? if it is drinkin more water might help lower the levels. id say stay on your cycle and add in tylers and ala and milk thistle and try for 2+ gallons of water a day. if they come back high again stop. does your doctor know your on aas? are you on any other medications?

 

[xtinct]

my hdl is a tad low [not real major]

my liver enzymes are way up [47 if that means anything to the docs]. i am using liv 52 right now ,

What is the normal range for that assay? 47 does not sound high to me.

 

[DADAWG]

wartime 100 ,no alcohol and no orals bro. if they dont go down my doc wants to get a biopsy done.

H1 what about overthe counter meds like tylenol , cold /flu meds , pain meds , etc a lot of these are very harsh on the liver especially anything with tylenol/aceta how ever the hell you spell the rest of that big ass word lol , is there anything else at all you are taking that could possibly be stressing your liver , ps i would probably throw in some ala and a good multi vitamin for the extra antioxidants , good luck bro

 

[buffdoc]

First of all, whoa, everybody. We don't even have any facts, and all this advice is flying around.
House1, there are several different liver enzymes. You need to post the actual enzyme (ALT, AST, GGT) or whatever, your values, and the normal values for that particular lab. All this is on the lab sheet. Get a copy.
That's the only way to get any valid feedback. All this other stuff is just shooting in the dark.

 

[house1]

thanks buff doc. i will get it as soon as i can.

my liver enzymes have been high for years on or off. they got better and now they are worse in my docs opinion.

his office is closed tomorrow i will get over there thursday.

i take a ton of vitamins could that be causing any probs?

 

[buffdoc]

thanks buff doc. i will get it as soon as i can.

i take a ton of vitamins could that be causing any probs?

Probably not except HIGH levels of Vitamin A or other retinoids.

BTW, I assume as this is an off and on problem fro some time, that you've had a hepatitis screen (for B and C)?

 

[house1]

yes i have buffd. all came out fine. in the past they were always slightly high

i have stomach problems would that affect the liver acid reflux which caused berrets disease. i have to take prevacid

also would weight be a burden? i am 280lbs
i am pulling at straws here
i will have to wait to i get my hands on the results to see what the normal range is suppose to be compared to what i am at now

 

[xtinct]

house,

don't get too worried yet. I actually had an ultrasound because the doc thought something was terribly wrong with my liver when the only "problem" I had was an ALT of 47 (40 being the upper end of normal). It turned out that I was just fine.

Also, check out this article:

Anabolic steroid-induced hepatotoxicity: is it overstated?

Dickerman RD, Pertusi RM, Zachariah NY, Dufour DR, McConathy WJ.

The Department of Biomedical Science, University of North Texas Health Science Center, Fort Worth 76107-2699, USA.

OBJECTIVE: There have been numerous reports of hepatic dysfunction secondary to anabolic steroid use based on elevated levels of serum aminotransferases. This study was conducted to distinguish between serum aminotransaminase elevations secondary to intense resistance training and anabolic steroid-induced hepatotoxicity in elite bodybuilders. DESIGN: This was a case-control study of serum chemistry profiles from bodybuilders using and not using anabolic steroids with comparisons to a cohort of medical students and patients with hepatitis. PARTICIPANTS: The participants were bodybuilders taking self-directed regimens of anabolic steroids (n = 15) and bodybuilders not taking steroids (n = 10). Blood chemistry profiles from patients with viral hepatitis (n = 49) and exercising and nonexercising medical students (592) were used as controls. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: The focus in blood chemistry profiles was aspartate aminotransferase (AST), alanine aminotransferase (ALT), gamma-glutamyltranspeptidase (GGT), and creatine kinase (CK) levels. RESULTS: In both groups of bodybuilders, CK, AST, and ALT were elevated, whereas GGT remained in the normal range. In contrast, patients with hepatitis had elevations of all three enzymes: ALT, AST, and GGT. Creatine kinase (CK) was elevated in all exercising groups. Patients with hepatitis were the only group in which a correlation was found between aminotransferases and GGT. CONCLUSION: Prior reports of anabolic steroid-induced hepatotoxicity based on elevated aminotransferase levels may have been overstated, because no exercising subjects, including steroid users, demonstrated hepatic dysfunction based on GGT levels. Such reports may have misled the medical community to emphasize steroid-induced hepatotoxicity when interpreting elevated aminotransferase levels and disregard muscle damage. For these reasons, when evaluating hepatic function in cases of anabolic steroid therapy or abuse, CK and GGT levels should be considered in addition to ALT and AST levels as essential elements of the assessment.

PMID: 10336050 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

 

[house1]

xtinct, thanks for the post. i will know more when i see the results first hand