HCG as Post Cycle Therapy

[*Johnny*]

Hello everyone,

I know almost all of you recommend to take Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during cycle but I faced a lot of guys using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) as a big part of their PCT´s with great results. Usually taking 5,000IU E5D for about 3-6 shots in total.

Do you have any experiences with this Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) timing?

 

[bigherm2121]

Hcg on cycle does nothing but keep your nuts fuller and packed. Nothing more nothing less. Blast before post cycle therapy (pct) is good cause it helps jumpstarts lh to tell the nuts to produce test. Not ran as a post cycle therapy (pct). Still need a serm.

 

[*Johnny*]

Hcg on cycle does nothing but keep your nuts fuller and packed. Nothing more nothing less. Blast before post cycle therapy (pct) is good cause it helps jumpstarts lh to tell the nuts to produce test. Not ran as a post cycle therapy (pct). Still need a serm.

Sure. I wanted to pin 3x5,000IU E5D. First pin would be 3-4 days after last tesp prop injection. Also I have Nolva and Proviron.

Opinion?

 

[bigherm2121]

Was it just a test prop cycle? That's a very mild cycle which imo could do without a Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) blast and just run nolva prov for post cycle therapy (pct). I say when using a 19nor or a very strong cycle Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is recommended.

 

[*Johnny*]

Was it just a test prop cycle? That's a very mild cycle which imo could do without a Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) blast and just run nolva prov for post cycle therapy (pct). I say when using a 19nor or a very strong cycle Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is recommended.

Prop for 6-8 weeks, 100-200mg EOD pyramid, same lenght with oral Winstrol (winny). 25-75mg ED pyramid. My biggest fear is not getting natural test back. What do you think?

 

[JimiThing]

First dont pyramid anything.
Second if u wanna use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) use it on cyce up to post cycle therapy (pct). Its suppressive so its no good during pct.
pct should be clomid and nolva.
clomid 100/50/50/50
nolva40/20/20/20
doses in mg per day by the week.

 

[rippedliving]

Hcg on cycle does nothing but keep your nuts fuller and packed. Nothing more nothing less. Blast before post cycle therapy (pct) is good cause it helps jumpstarts lh to tell the nuts to produce test. Not ran as a post cycle therapy (pct). Still need a serm.

true

 

[speeddemon]

I wouldn't even bother using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) unless your testicles are shrunk.

 

[JimiThing]

hcg is a good way to "artificially" keep the hpta functoning to a degree when on cycle. While maybe not always necessary its never a bad idea.

 

[*Johnny*]

hcg is a good way to "artificially" keep the hpta functoning to a degree when on cycle. While maybe not always necessary its never a bad idea.

First, I do believe that pyramids are perfect way to keep gaining cause the body gets used to everything. And with the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) thing.. supressive? No man.. As I sad, many of my fellows are using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) post steroids and as they says "It just makes my balls to explode." In a good way. IMO Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) literally forcing your body to produce natural test again. Same as nolva or clomid.

 

[tesseract]

First, I do believe that pyramids are perfect way to keep gaining cause the body gets used to everything. And with the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) thing.. supressive? No man.. As I sad, many of my fellows are using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) post steroids and as they says "It just makes my balls to explode." In a good way. IMO Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) literally forcing your body to produce natural test again. Same as nolva or clomid.

Are you implying by some chance that you are trying to shock your body by making your blood levels unstable? Unstable levels will make your side effects worse and may even take away from gains I have not seen anyone grow by doing this pyramidal thing and it is still practiced cause it's an old school mentality.

 

[JimiThing]

First, I do believe that pyramids are perfect way to keep gaining cause the body gets used to everything. And with the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) thing.. supressive? No man.. As I sad, many of my fellows are using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) post steroids and as they says "It just makes my balls to explode." In a good way. IMO Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) literally forcing your body to produce natural test again. Same as nolva or clomid.

You can believe whatever you like and do whatever you like but your belief in pyramiding is inaccurate.
Also Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is a gonadatropin , you artifically introduce it ...so your body doesnt have to produce GnRH on its own when you do. GnRH is what is responsible for the production of LH and FSH. It does the exact thing you do not want in PCT. It is supressive. Im not going to argue ...but im not going to cosign incorrect info. However you proceed i wish you all the best.

 

[ErectusMaximus]

You can believe whatever you like and do whatever you like but your belief in pyramiding is inaccurate.
Also Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is a gonadatropin , you artifically introduce it ...so your body doesnt have to produce GnRH on its own when you do. GnRH is what is responsible for the production of LH and FSH. It does the exact thing you do not want in post cycle therapy (pct). It is supressive. Im not going to argue ...but im not going to cosign incorrect info. However you proceed i wish you all the best.

When I rearched Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) a while back, this was the same conclusion I found. I suggest you read a little more too Johnny. I'm sure you got your info from some " credible" people, but all the science behind Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is out there, google Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and you will find EXACTLY what Jimmy is talking about, feedback loops.

Normally Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is taken twice a week or blasted after the last injection of test and stopped like 4 days befor post cycle therapy (pct) starts.

 

[*Johnny*]

When I rearched Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) a while back, this was the same conclusion I found. I suggest you read a little more too Johnny. I'm sure you got your info from some " credible" people, but all the science behind Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is out there, google Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and you will find EXACTLY what Jimmy is talking about, feedback loops.

Normally Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is taken twice a week or blasted after the last injection of test and stopped like 4 days befor pct starts.

Thank you very much guys for your advices and help. I´m pretty confused about the HCG. So.. you would recommend to run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during cycle OR pin it 2 times a week after last pin of gear and then typical nolva? Did I understand it correctly?

 

[DipKing]

IMO Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) literally forcing your body to produce natural test again. Same as nolva or clomid.

I'm sorry this just cracks me up!! Like, do you have any actual scientific evidence, some studies maybe, supporting your claims, or do you think it works just because you think it works?

 

[*Johnny*]

I'm sorry this just cracks me up!! Like, do you have any actual scientific evidence, some studies maybe, supporting your claims, or do you think it works just because you think it works?

Well, I´m not sure what study to trust, cause the more I read the more confused I am. Tell me your experience, please.

 

[DipKing]

I agree with what these guys here have told you. I definitely wouldn't pyramid, either. You'll have much better results and less sides with stable levels.

 

[JimiThing]

Here is a quote posted by Dr Michael Scally. For those who dont know who he is , he is probably the foremost expert on treating steroid induced andropause (shutdown). I refer to him alot as he is truly the leader in this area. He posted this yesterday.
In the optimal conditions, once the testes respond well, hCG is stopped and the SERMs begun.- Dr Michael Scally
Prior to posting this he stated he does not advocate the concurrent use of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and serms.
Hope this helps.

 

[*Johnny*]

Here is a quote posted by Dr Michael Scally. For those who dont know who he is , he is probably the foremost expert on treating steroid induced andropause (shutdown). I refer to him alot as he is truly the leader in this area. He posted this yesterday.
In the optimal conditions, once the testes respond well, hCG is stopped and the SERMs begun.- Dr Michael Scally
Prior to posting this he stated he does not advocate the concurrent use of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and serms.
Hope this helps.

Thank you, JimyThing! Do you have any experiences with post cycle therapy (pct) that worked for you after test? Only if you´re doing on/off, of course.

 

[JimiThing]

I like clomid 100/50/50/50 and nolvadex 40/20/20/20. (dosages in mg per day by the week) . If your using prop start this 3 days after your final prop injection. If you want to run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) thats fine - run it on cycle at 250ius - 2x /week up to your pct.