Coming off a test e cycle at 600 mg a week 10wk cycle. Have Nolva and clomid for pct ... I am confused on Hcg blasting prior to my pct serms ... I've read different views on it looking for help o also I researched some on here but couldn't find an answer I understand that H CG should be blasted around 1000 Iu eod for about 2 weeks to get the balls ready for pct wait 4 days after last shot of Hcg then start clomid nolva?
Hcg blast pct questions and confusion about it for pct blast
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Megatron28
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Ideally you would have used hCG during your cycle up until about three days before PCT starts at 250-500iu twice a week. This would have minimized testicular atrophy. But I guess the horse left the barn on that one.
I wouldn't do 1000iu EOD. Three times a week would be better in my opinion. You don't want to desensitize your Leydig Cells by overdoing it.
I wouldn't do 1000iu EOD. Three times a week would be better in my opinion. You don't want to desensitize your Leydig Cells by overdoing it.
Thank u for your fast reply and yeah I've read a lot on the atrophy I'm definitely atrophied I noticed the difference 4 weeks in .. So everything so far as far as dosing the Hcg I'm on the right boat just do 3 times a week of 1000iu ? Wait 4 days after last pin then start my nolva/clomid?
Megatron28
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I thought you said you were done with your cycle. The sooner you can start hCG the better. Like I said, ideally you would have started it day 1.
Where exactly are you in your cycle? Details matter as I may change my dosage recommendation.
Where exactly are you in your cycle? Details matter as I may change my dosage recommendation.
Megatron28
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So your last injection was on May 27th. There will be no more test injections?
Megatron28
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So start hCG today at the dose/frequency we discussed and run it until about three days before PCT (clomid/nolva) starts.
Megatron28
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That is for beginning PCT. hCG is not part of your PCT. hCG should be used while on cycle.
Please note that hCG should not be used during PCT as it is HPTA suppressive.
Megatron28
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Start it as soon as it arrives. We are trying to restore your testicles so they are ready to produce their own testosterone once PCT starts.
Next time, try to do your research before you start your cycle and have everything in hand before you start your cycle.
Megatron28
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Give this a read through.
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a.../675497-ology-frequently-asked-questions.html
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a.../675497-ology-frequently-asked-questions.html
Megatron28
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Some people do it that way. It is a little old school.
Why try to reverse testicular atrophy at the end of a cycle when you can run a little hCG the whole time and prevent it? Some people get it in their head that running hCG and test at the same time "confuses" the body. There is a well known internet talking head who likes to promote that silly notion.
hCG mimics LH (Luteinizing Hormone). That tells your testicles to keep working even in the presence of exogenous testosterone. It just comes down to underatanding how the HPTA works.
Next time, ask them questions like you are asking me! Due your due diligence and make sure you understand. Don't be mesmerized by their big muscles.
Repo
P.S.L. Representative
This phase should be ran in addition to the weekly dose during the cycle.
Blast hCG during the time period you are waiting for the suppressive compounds to leave your system -
starting the day after your last injection - up until 4 days before SERM treatment.
Here are four blast phase options - depending on your cycle.
1) 500iu's every day.
2) 750iu's every day.
3) 1,000iu's every other day.
4) 1,500iu's every other day.
Hcg directly stimulate's aromatization in the leydig cells (located in the testis) and some people develop Gyno when
taking “high” doses of hCG - so keep this in mind when running the blasting phase.
There are 3 reasons to run a blast phase of HCG
1) To test the testicles to see if they are still able to produce testosterone at their maximum capacity - If they
can not produce testosterone at their maximum capacity - you have developed secondary hypogonadism - if
this is the case you would be best to get a blood test done - to see if the testicles are producing enough
testosterone to get your testosterone levels within physiological range ... If not, hold of on SERM treatment
as more hcg is needed - i.e. either a higher dose or for a longer duration.
2) By blasting during this time we are ensuring that our testosterone is within physiological range which is needed
from going catabolic - you don’t want to lose the gains “after” the cycle - which happens with many people.
3) To “stimulate” the pituitary - which is needed to provide the material the testes need to produce testosterone.
Thank you repo for your reply so when u say "time period you are waiting for the suppressive compounds to leave your system " from what I've read test e will be diminishing roughly almost two weeks after last shot ? So am I running the Hcg now or after the 2 weeks sorry if you answered that already . I just read so many contradicting stuff like if Hcg raises ur natural test why take it while on cycle if the exogenous testosterone is telling your body to shut it down ?
Megatron28
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You should start PCT within 2-3 weeks after your last injection of test. I wouldnt wait longer than that just because you failed to procure hCG. It isn't ideal, but like I said, the horse already left the barn. We are just making the best of a bad situation.
But hopefully you will get your hCG quickly.
