HCG Diet... is this stuff real HCG?
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snowpatrol123
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Not legit at all
halfwit
I like turtles.
I've seen bottles labeled "Anavar 25mg", and what came out were altoids (mints). Buyer beware man, that's all I'm saying.
Black Beard
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Most bullshit diet ever. Anyone will lose weight on 500 calories a day. It's retarded. My doc said she had people coming in asking for Hcg for the diet. Why is it so hard to accept the fact that calories in/calories out is the law of nutrition and thermodynamics?
halfwit
I like turtles.
Funny thing is that the FDA banned the use of the term HCG Diet and the actual sale of it for that purpose like 40 years ago and yet folks are STILL pushing that cockamamie b.s. on the internet. Thanks "Dr." Oz or whomever it was that made all the fat housewives excited to inject for buns of steel.
The Second Law of Thermodynamics clearly shows that you could add work into the equation (exercise) to change the outcome of the change in internal energy. Durrrrrrr.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
bushleaguechew
Junior Bodybuilder
Funny thing is that the FDA banned the use of the term HCG Diet and the actual sale of it for that purpose like 40 years ago and yet folks are STILL pushing that cockamamie b.s. on the internet. Thanks "Dr." Oz or whomever it was that made all the fat housewives excited to inject for buns of steel.
The Second Law of Thermodynamics clearly shows that you could add work into the equation (exercise) to change the outcome of the change in internal energy. Durrrrrrr.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Everyone wants their cake and a second one too.
Funny thing is that the FDA banned the use of the term HCG Diet and the actual sale of it for that purpose like 40 years ago and yet folks are STILL pushing that cockamamie b.s. on the internet. Thanks "Dr." Oz or whomever it was that made all the fat housewives excited to inject for buns of steel.
The Second Law of Thermodynamics clearly shows that you could add work into the equation (exercise) to change the outcome of the change in internal energy. Durrrrrrr.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
I think the FDA made suppliers include the disclaimer "HCG does not aid in fat or weight loss" in 1974. I know you and I have talked about this before and it surprised you how long ago they knew this but ppl are still stupid enough to fall for it lol.
bushleaguechew
Junior Bodybuilder
All the HCG products sold at supplement stores are fake anyways. They can't legally contain the actual hormone, nor would it be absorbed orally even if it did. Most of them are just vitamins or herbal supplements that claim to "increase" natural production.
Mprtz
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I'm not saying that HCG is effective as a diet aid, but I get a bit weary of the old "calories in, calories out" crap. Nobody really cares about weight loss. People care about fat loss. Hormones have everything to do with fat loss - they have far stronger influence than caloric balance does. Saying that a hormone can't be an effective diet aid because the only thing that matters is "calories in, calories out" is just misguided.
HCG was banned as an effective diet aid by the FDA bc it just isn't effective. Cals in vs cals out determines a change in weight but it's the actual macros that determine where the weight comes from. Attempting or believing you can alter hormone levels enough through diet alone to significantly impact body composition is just as misguided IMO.
bushleaguechew
Junior Bodybuilder
True. But think about people who are overweight. Its not their hormones to blame, its their horrid diets of fast food and oversized portions. Yes some people actually have a medical problem. The majority just stuff their faces with crap food every night.
Mprtz
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I'm going to go out on a limb and claim that obesity due to metabolic syndrome involving insulin resistance (often caused by a bad diet) is more common that obesity from just plain overeating.
But a bad diet has very little to do with food sources. It's more to do with eating crazy amounts of carbs and dietary fats with minimal protein intake and trace micronutrient Iintake. Couple that with laziness, lack of exercise, etc and you get an obesity pandemic. You are going out on a limb IMO and the facts just don't support it.
Hormones certainly don't hold a far greater effect on fat loss than caloric balance does!! Try eating 5000cals with a maintenance of 2000 with the best hormonal profile. Then eat in an actual calorie deficit (with proper macros) with a horrible hormonal profile. You think the former is more effective?
Mprtz
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Effective at what? For improving body composition absolutely the calorie surplus + "optimized" hormones will give better results and bodybuilders do it all the time. At the same time, it is possible through hormonal manipulation to make someone gain fat on a calorie deficit, even if they have to metabolize their muscles and organs to do it.
Of course, in the long run calorie balance does matter, but focusing on the concept of "calories in vs. calories out" to the exclusion of all other factors is a gross simplification that has become a roadblock to understanding and addressing the obesity epidemic.
Widespread repetition and blind acceptance of this mantra has led to the popular notion that the only difference between thin people and fat people is that the former have more willpower and are somehow morally superior.
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bushleaguechew
Junior Bodybuilder
Well who has more willpower? The body builder using a scale to ensure proper portion sizes of his chicken rice and veggies, or the obese person super sizing his soda and fries at the mcdonalds drive thru? Its pretty self explanatory.
Mprtz
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That's kind of a straw man... what about the bodybuilder dirty bulking on grams of AAS and the post-menopausal pre-diabetic who stays fat despite counting every calorie?
Bodybuilder's only do it all the time bc they alter their hormones out of normal physiological ranges. Try as you might and you will never ever get similar results through diet alone. Diet can change hormonal levels but they'll still be in physiological ranges meaning their impact will not work like your bodybuilder example.
Calories and macros are the single most important factor to weight and fat loss this cannot be denied. You can get fat off broccoli and oats and chicken the same way you would any other food.
In most cases the only difference between the obese and non-obese is caloric/macro intake. The amount of medical conditions isn't as high as you make it out to be. No one mentioned anything about moral superiority here but it is an disputable fact that the obese tend to under-report their food intake (by up to 30-50%) while simultaneously over-reporting their activity levels.
bushleaguechew
Junior Bodybuilder
That bodybuilder eating like a pig still manages to burn most of the calories he puts in. Yes, that post menopausal pre-diabetic is suffering because of a true hormonal problem, but they are the exception to the rule. I won't give you a number like 1 in 100 or 1 in 1000 because I don't have a figure in front of me.
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