Hcg/nolvadex pct

[krzis]

Hi i wanted to ask about hcg and nolvadex for pct because im gettin pretty confused about when and how to take it :

the guy who sold me the juice and hcg said

10days after last injection i should start to take HCG 500 iu once a week for 3 weeks ( or 250ml twice a week for 3 weeks)
and 4 days after the last injection of hcg i should start using nolvadex
40 mg ed for the first 2 week and 20mg ed for the last two weeks

but from what i read on other websites and forum ppl say i should take 250 iu ed of hcg for 10 days and nolvadex a week later
some say to take hcg during the cycle.... there's too much different answers so i wanna know if the plan the guy gave me is good

MY Stats and cycle :
26 years old
92.5 kg
12%bf

my cycle was ( i just did my last injection 3days ago!! )
DECA :week 1-10 400ml (200 ml twice a week)
Test E : week 1-12 500 ml (250ml twice a week)

injecting every mondays and friday

i got some really good gains with that cycle, was at 81 kg 13.5 Bf% when i started ...
and i really wanna do my pct right so i wont loose most of my gain

and also i was wondering after how long can i start a second cycle.3-4-5 month after the pct is finished ?
was planing to try test e-deca and EQ

thanks
peace

 

[popeye50]

WOW...a dealer who knows whats up....his advice sounds pretty damn good. You will get pretty different answers, like you have discovered, but that protocol sounds good to me, since it is test E and deca. Some might suggest it's too long of wait for PCT, but through my research I've realized it's better to start late than too early! Especially for long estered compounds. (And I am not implying this would be starting to late, I think this specific case sounds very good!)

It's always good to add HCG in during cycle also, to minimize atrophy and keep them ready to 'restart' post cycle. Maybe do 500iu a week for a three weeks on/ one weeks off, etc. You don't want to overdo HCG, but if you have extra, it will def help. I think you may want to up the dosage from 500iu a week for three weeks post-cycle....to maybe every 3 or four days.

Some will suggest adding clomid to PCT, but nolvadex alone is sufficient for some.

The waiting period between PCT and deca will be necessary anyway because deca and nolvadex combined can cause prolactin issues when used together. Both test E and Deca have a very long half life!

To sum up, wait 10 days, pin HCG for a few weeks, wait 4 days, then nolva 40/40/20/20, if you add clomid 50/50/50/50

And as always..Im certainly no expert, but this is my personal opinion.

 

[popeye50]

^^^This is what I mean about other shit advice you'll hear.

2 weeks is def not enough time for deca and test to even be close to being down from supraphys-levels!!!

deca is fine with nolva if you wait the period you originally had in your protocol!!

Sure, maybe throw in some other supps to assist, thats about the only thing slightly knowledgeable about that statement!

And also, clomid only, nolva only, clomid/nolva combo, is VERY individualized!!!!! Trial and error to find whats best for YOURSELF!!!!!

BTW.....To say nolvadex is shit reeks of ignorance!!!!!

 

[popeye50]

First off, I apologize to my fellow members for this outburst, as I have never done this until now!

Again, ignorance....I originally said....."The waiting period between post cycle therapy (pct) and deca will be necessary anyway because deca and nolvadex combined MAY cause prolactin issues". It is possible when used simultaneously but if he waits the allotted time in his original protocol, the deca will be OUT OF HIS SYSTEM!!! You don't even know if he had prolactin sides or not!!! It is individualized! Anyways, taking something together and at separate times, ie. waiting for deca to clear before nolva is used, is NOT the same thing!

The fact that you refer to nolvadex as a 'prescribed drug for breast cancer patients' so why use it, shows retardation!!! Thats what every ancillary used for AAS is originally prescribed for. Your statement is bullshit!

You mean to tell me that the thousands of users that have used nolva only post cycle therapy (pct) and recovered is a fluke, because it's "only used to help rebound from clomid"? And formestane is way better? (I've read the oral bio-availability for formestane is shit!) Not to mention the countless guys who have used nolva for post cycle therapy (pct) AFTER a deca cycle with NO problems! Taking nolva for gyno DURING a deca cycle is something you may not want to do.

And for the long estered compounds he used...are they going to be out of his system in two weeks like you suggested?? NO!!!! You are suggesting for him to start post cycle therapy (pct) TOO EARLY, hence he will not REALLY be running a 4 week post cycle therapy (pct)...rather maybe 1 or 2 with 'normal levels', if that. And you are WRONG!!!

And then to say "other supps don't matter as it's too late LOL cycles over".......you're the one that originally suggested additional OTC supps to help with post cycle therapy (pct)!!!! in which I agreed with you!!!! Are you mental?....You are disagreeing with your OWN previous statement!!!


You my friend, make no logical sense. You're basing your whole argument on something I clearly stated in first post. Don't take deca and nolva simultaneously to avoid possible prolactin issues. And you're arguing how nolvadex is outdated garbage? Tried and true buddy.

Even when they are used together, I rarely hear of prolactin problems.

BTW..By saying that this is the worst advice a moron could give, you're basically calling 90% of 'ology a moron in regards to the use of nolvadex as post cycle therapy (pct) or as an addition to post cycle therapy (pct), deca or no deca.

Ugghh, I feel better now!

 

[popeye50]

You keep arguing the same shit that I never even said or already stated!! YOU said to start in two weeks, OP said he was going to wait almost four weeks to start the nolva after deca and thats what I agreed with.

Cut out the condescending BULLSHIT because of your OTC regimen.....especially if you don't have your shit straight.

You are contradicting all of your own statements each new post you write....and saying OTC drugs are better than SERMS????

BTW...anybody can be a F'ing BROKEN RECORD, in which all your posts are, every comment you give on cycle advice is OTC this and OTC that, cut and paste this and that, you are very narrow minded and have tunnel vision for what ever you want to hear! Even shit I don't say you call me out like I did say it. Open your F***** eyes if your going to argue something!

Your advice is wreckless saying SERMS should not be used...and its better to start post cycle therapy (pct) too early.....its okay to have your own opinion, but everything we use has risks, including you repping all these bullshit OTC products. You are a joke!

Feel free to quote me on any point where I am calling you out on being wrong, besides your opinion on nolva being outdated!!!!

And I find it uneccessary to cut and paste (like yourself) to explain why SERMS work....and not just "in arnies time".....there is a plethora of knowledge out there.......S.M.F'ing.H

 

[popeye50]

And I agree to disagree with your DUMBASS...

 

[krzis]

Thanks dude
haha i see that the other guy removed what he wrote

so you are saying i should inject 500 iu every 4-5 days ?

but if i do that i wont be able to do it for 3 weeks mayb less
i onl;y got 3 vial of 500 iu each .. and the guy who got me the stuff is not in the country right now so i cant get more for a few weeks so will it be fine if i inject 500 iu every 4 days ? or should i go for every week ?>

 

[KingBeastMode]

Personally eveyone has their own opion about hcg.. id run it during the cycle.. 1 week after ur last shit of test.. than take that week.off than jump into the post cycle therapy (pct) man

 

[KingBeastMode]

And stop the deca 2 weeks before u stop the test man.. but obv everyone will have their own preferances with the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and post cycle therapy (pct).. im.just saying that is standard.. i never use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during post cycle therapy (pct) i rather use it during cycle and as i taper down aas.. than i wait and cut the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 1 week before post cycle therapy (pct).. but keep it 1 week.past the test if u understand what im tying to say. Always a successful recovery with any compound using that method

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

WOW...a dealer who knows whats up..

I agree......... I would use a higher dose of HCG, but his timing is correct, which is most important.

 

[krzis]

haha im sorry guys but i just REALIZED THE Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) I GOT is not 500UI per vial but 5000 UI so i guess the dosage are good enough

dunno why i thought i saw 500 on the bottle !

anyways thx fo the tips and advice !!
PEACE