HCG only cycle? Does it make sense?

[Matzzze]

Hello,

this is my first post here. I am a middle aged full natty with some years of weightlifting. During a doctors (hormone specialist) visit I talked with him about Steroids and side effects. What is noteworthy is that, he told me that if a man wants just to increase t-levels he could also run HCG only
This would also increase to a supraphysiological level and thus bigger muscle gains should possible. However, I have never heard of HCG only, in fact in European forums it is even very uncommon to add HCG into a beginner cycle. I have seen that here it is also recommended to include in the cycle.

So my questions for you experts is:
- How much increase is to be expected in T-levels?
- Does it boost Estrogen as well?
- Which are the side effects?
- Are there any common HCG only cycles or does it make sense at all?
- Is the testicle growing reversible after going off?

Disclaimer: I am not planning to do that. It is just academical interest on that topic
Sorry I am not a native Speaker

 

[tx045]

Don't expect a big increase in anything if your hpta is functioning properly. It won't give you the supra-physiological levels you're after. But it is used for trt in some patients

 

[.Vision.]

Like tx045 stated, it's utilized in therapeutic settings for certain reasons depending on the physicians/endocrinologists reasoning behind it..

It has been used in some fat loss protocols but anything I've seen didn't support much success,nothing worth documenting..IMO

 

[Teutonic]

I answered this and it got lost
HCG was faddish w ref to fat loss, site specific 3-5 yr s ago but it was de bunked--ie my lawyer did it and he s still a fat bastard.

Any test increase would be on an individual basis, dose dependent and very very small as compared to trt or a cycle.

It will raise estro but again it ll vary to each person and dose dependent AND of course it will some as it mimic s a prego women s urine stim lh fh follicle s in your teste s (if you have them )and yes they ll get bigger ; not larger than stock but if crushed from AAS use or if atrophied from trt it will should restore them..some...fact.

No golden rule s in hormone augmentation. I had an accidental discharge on a deca heavy cycle that got me sentenced to 21 yr s child support.

 

[DucBase]

I don't think it would have much of a measurable effect on T levels. If it did, it wouldn't be enough to cause muscles to grow on your muscles. It might be like kicking your T levels from 500 to 600. I've never heard anyone get a significant bump in T levels while on TRT whether they are primary or secondary. Some guys see intratesticular aromatization bump up their E levels I think though.

HCG just keeps your nuts awake during a cycle (or TRT) where they would otherwise be shut off and shriveling. That stupid diet only works because large doses of HCG kill your appetite. Probably not what someone looking to grow muscles needs.

 

[francosiciliano]

The best way to see how effective it would be is to get some bloodwork done then use the HCG for a month or two and recheck your blood work. I posed a similar academic question about using nolvadex to increase test lvl and everyone said it was a complete waste of time. I said fuck it and tested myself. I actually used both clomiid and nolva at the same time for 8wks. My test lvls went from 400 to 1100 after a month and gained almost 6Lbs of muscle in 8wks plus strength gains. Not exactly earth shattering but they were solid results with no sides at all. I did a test cycle a few months later and gained 20Ibs in 16 wks but lost 8lbs after the cycle was done. So you do the math. The dose that I have seen Drs and forum ppl suggest is 500mg hcg per wk while on cycle. Any higher and it messes with you LH production. I would think that would be the best dose to try to get your test lvls up.

 

[Matzzze]

Thanks for the comments so far. What I take as a summary:
- It is uncommon and probably not a big gain

What would interest me further is whether it makes really so much sense to put it into a beginner cycle? And with beginner cycle I refer to a European one which would be 250mg Enanthate e5d.
What does it exactly do? Releases more LH and FSH?
Any comments on side effects?

 

[anzel]

It stimulated LH. Side effects can be something to the effect of increased E for instance but not a big deal. Or desensitization of the lehydeg cells.

 

[tx045]

For the amount you'd take on the cycle that you stated, there wouldn't be any sides except good ones for your testicles. If I remember right, there was a study showing in many cases it took upwards of 10,000 iu weekly to reach desensitization. Most recommend 500 iu a week

 

[appleton111]

For the amount you'd take on the cycle that you stated, there wouldn't be any sides except good ones for your testicles. If I remember right, there was a study showing in many cases it took upwards of 10,000 iu weekly to reach desensitization. Most recommend 500 iu a week

I agree ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[3J]

the problem with hcg monotherapy is the desensitization of leydig cells... or else its not a bad option

 

[appleton111]

did you get bloodwork done yet op?