HCG question with Equipoise

[softballer13]

Hi all. This is my first post here. Have just read for a while without registering. The stickied post by DOC with all the information is great.

Anyway, I live in more of a rural community with people that aren't that familiar with the "internets", lol. Guys have this idea that Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is "it's just women's piss" and there's no benefits to it. Obviously from all I've read, that couldnt' be further from the truth.

What I'm doing is a cycle of EQ. I have 2 friends that use it and get exactly the results I want. I don't want to blow up like guys who get on test do. I want slow, steady gains without the water retention.

Now, I know everyone will say that you have to use test with an EQ cycle because you're not making any of your own test then and coming off would be much harder. My question is if I use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) starting with the 3rd week of my 12 week EQ cycle, would 250iu, 2X a week be good enough to where my boys will keep workin and I won't need to supplement with test?

I really will be more than happy with just putting on 8lbs of LBM with eq over a 12 week cycle. I want to look like I've made some changes in my routine/diet, not like I've started juicin.

Anyway, real idea regarding this would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance and really enjoy the site.

 

[Liftbig11]

Well brother Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) just keeps your boys intact. Doesn't mean you still produce test. Being shutdown is being shutdown. Also eq should be ran atleast 14-16 weeks.

 

[softballer13]

Thanks. This is some of the most common information that I've found about Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) though.

"Administering Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) directly after steroid treat-ment helps to reduce this condition because Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) increases the testosterone production in the testes very quickly and reliably. In the event of testicular atrophy caused by mega doses and very long periods of usage, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) also helps to quickly bring the testes back to their original condition (size). Since occasional injections of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during steroid intake can avoid a testicular atrophy, many athletes use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for two to three weeks in the middle of their steroid treatment."

 

[Greazy-Pickle]

you want to do steroids for 12 weeks to only gain 8lbs?.. if all your worried about is water why not run a test cycle with an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) during?.. much cheaper and much more satisfying..

 

[stang50]

Well brother Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) just keeps your boys intact. Doesn't mean you still produce test. Being shutdown is being shutdown. Also eq should be ran atleast 14-16 weeks.

Agreed, the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) just makes for easier recover post cycle, youll still be shut down with no test. I would atleast run a very small dose even 150mg/week of test, you wont have any major bloat off that.

 

[softballer13]

Great stuff guys. Thanks

 

[softballer13]

you want to do steroids for 12 weeks to only gain 8lbs?.. if all your worried about is water why not run a test cycle with an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) during?.. much cheaper and much more satisfying..

It seems that the gains off of EQ are more permanent. I'm not concerned with my "look" and am not going for "bodybuilding" purposes. I'm solely interested in performance. If I looked exactly the same as I do now (imagine cross between Ben Afleck and Brad Pitt) lol, I'll be happy.

That of course was a joke. Well, kinda.

 

[Greazy-Pickle]

brad pitt in troy? or brad pitt in snatch? lol
and ben afleck? id rather look like napolean dynamite than ben afleck..

 

[Greazy-Pickle]

Ben Afleck?

 

[softballer13]

You're right. I'd bet women would say you're much better lookin than him. What was I thinking?

 

[Ythrashin]

Well brother Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) just keeps your boys intact. Doesn't mean you still produce test. Being shutdown is being shutdown. Also eq should be ran atleast 14-16 weeks.

Actually using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) does keep your Testes producing Testosterone. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) mimics LH.LH tell your Testes to produce Testosterone..Keeping them partialy "intact".. How much they produce is dependent on on how much Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) you use. 250-500iu twice a week is not enough to keep your Test levels at a normal level though. Using high amounts of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) will also increase your estro levels.

you want to do steroids for 12 weeks to only gain 8lbs?.. if all your worried about is water why not run a test cycle with an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) during?.. much cheaper and much more satisfying..

This is good advice...

It seems that the gains off of EQ are more permanent. I'm not concerned with my "look" and am not going for "bodybuilding" purposes. I'm solely interested in performance.

What kind of performance?

If you need to do a lot of cardio high amounts of Test can cause muscle cramps and slow you down. If thats the case run 150-250mg of Test per WK.

If you are just worried about bloat from the Test use a Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to cut the water.

I'd run 500mg with at least 600mg EQ...

If this is going to be your first cycle you should probably just stick to just Test.

 

[illi]

im doing a cycle of test prop 500mg/wk and eq 400-600mg/wk for 16 weeks still not decided on the amount for the eq. i have heard a lot of different theories on how to run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) with a cycle my main question is if i should run 250iu 2x a week for the entire cycle, i read somwhere else that you should use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 3 weeks on and take 3 weeks off throughout the cycle, and when would you prefer i start using HCG. i appreciate any info i can get

 

[DragonRider]

In the event of testicular atrophy caused by mega doses and very long periods of usage, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) also helps to quickly bring the testes back to their original condition (size). Since occasional injections of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during steroid intake can avoid a testicular atrophy, many athletes use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for two to three weeks in the middle of their steroid treatment."

What you are proposing wouldn't be considered mega dosing by most bodybuilders standards, but if you really want to run the HCG, do what a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) doctor would recommend. Use it for the entire cycle at 250iu's twice a week.
Something you might want to consider is that most bodybuilders using EQ, use it because it increases appetite. Increased food intake results in increased mass. Additionally, some people get panic attacks off of EQ, so watch for that.

 

[DragonRider]

If you are just worried about bloat from the Test use a Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to cut the water.

I'd run 500mg with at least 600mg EQ...

If this is going to be your first cycle you should probably just stick to just Test.

Good points. Most experienced EQ users will tell you that you need a minimum of 600mg a week of EQ to get your most effective results.