Help Low Libido even with good testosterone and E2

[Brazilianguy]

Hi I'm just 20 years old I didn't cycle anything. To be brief I was vegan and took a lot of creatine I think 4 times more than any normal dosage because I didn't know how much to take.

My hormones were
Testosterone 380
Free Testosterone - I don't remember but It wasn't low.
Prolactin 5
TSH 3
Free T4 - 1.1 or 1.2
Free T3 was high too but I don't remember.
LH and FSH was aprox 4
SHBG 19 aprox


After Serms
Testosterone 900
Free Testosterone very high
E2 38 I guess
Prolactin 5
High LH and FSH.
SHBG 32 aprox

I think my HPTA respond well to serms so I think my HPTA is not broken like people say. What I would like to know is why some people like me don't feel anything with these levels? Some people I see saying that if they take HCG they feel fine even with the same levels they got from SERMS. But they say their E2 increases a lot so they take arimidex too. I took arimidex 0.5mg to decrease my 38 E2 and didn't feel anything. I tried dostinex, I tried Hydrocortisone, I'm trying DHEA by youthfull you 5mg each capsule and nothing.

I know that DHT is good for libido and I never checked mine. I have ED, watery ejaculation and low libido. I saw a guy that he was taking HCG with Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and feeling good once he tried to change the HCG to testosterone injections he lost his libido again, his dick became limp and all the other bad symptoms came back as he said, I think pure testosterone can decrease DHT am I right?. So why HCG can make things different to people? Does HCG increase DHT too? I'm thinking about taking proviron as I read some people feel an increase in libido. I'd like to know if I stop taking proviron my libido will decrease to the level I am now? I'm really desperate I would like to avoid testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) or Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) but if I need to use it and one day become off of anything and have a normal life again, that's what I'm aimming for.

Never took Finasteride or Accutane. Do you guys think its possible to revert my symptoms and have a normal life again?

Thank you please help me I can't stand it anymore.

 

[Brazilianguy]

Is pregnenolone a must with DHEA?
Why people take pregnenolone does it support the enzimes that convert into cortisol, into DHT?

 

[Brazilianguy]

Hi I'm just 20 years old I didn't cycle anything. To be brief I was vegan and took a lot of creatine I think 4 times more than any normal dosage because I didn't know how much to take.

My hormones were
Testosterone 380
Free Testosterone - I don't remember but It wasn't low.
Prolactin 5
TSH 3
Free T4 - 1.1 or 1.2
Free T3 was high too but I don't remember.
LH and FSH was aprox 4
SHBG 19 aprox


After Serms
Testosterone 900
Free Testosterone very high
E2 38 I guess
Prolactin 5
High LH and FSH.
SHBG 32 aprox

I think my HPTA respond well to serms so I think my HPTA is not broken like people say. What I would like to know is why some people like me don't feel anything with these levels? Some people I see saying that if they take HCG they feel fine even with the same levels they got from SERMS. But they say their E2 increases a lot so they take arimidex too. I took arimidex 0.5mg to decrease my 38 E2 and didn't feel anything. I tried dostinex, I tried Hydrocortisone, I'm trying DHEA by youthfull you 5mg each capsule and nothing.

I know that DHT is good for libido and I never checked mine. I have ED, watery ejaculation and low libido. I saw a guy that he was taking HCG with Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and feeling good once he tried to change the HCG to testosterone injections he lost his libido again, his dick became limp and all the other bad symptoms came back as he said, I think pure testosterone can decrease DHT am I right?. So why HCG can make things different to people? Does HCG increase DHT too? I'm thinking about taking proviron as I read some people feel an increase in libido. I'd like to know if I stop taking proviron my libido will decrease to the level I am now? I'm really desperate I would like to avoid testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) or Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) but if I need to use it and one day become off of anything and have a normal life again, that's what I'm aimming for.

Never took Finasteride or Accutane. Do you guys think its possible to revert my symptoms and have a normal life again?

Thank you please help me I can't stand it anymore.




Is pregnenolone a must with DHEA?
Why people take pregnenolone does it support the enzimes that convert into cortisol, into DHT?

 

[Alpin]

Hi I'm just 20 years old I didn't cycle anything. To be brief I was vegan and took a lot of creatine I think 4 times more than any normal dosage because I didn't know how much to take.

My hormones were
Testosterone 380
Free Testosterone - I don't remember but It wasn't low.
Prolactin 5
TSH 3
Free T4 - 1.1 or 1.2
Free T3 was high too but I don't remember.
LH and FSH was aprox 4
SHBG 19 aprox


After Serms
Testosterone 900
Free Testosterone very high
E2 38 I guess
Prolactin 5
High LH and FSH.
SHBG 32 aprox

I think my HPTA respond well to serms so I think my HPTA is not broken like people say. What I would like to know is why some people like me don't feel anything with these levels? Some people I see saying that if they take HCG they feel fine even with the same levels they got from SERMS. But they say their E2 increases a lot so they take arimidex too. I took arimidex 0.5mg to decrease my 38 E2 and didn't feel anything. I tried dostinex, I tried Hydrocortisone, I'm trying DHEA by youthfull you 5mg each capsule and nothing.

I know that DHT is good for libido and I never checked mine. I have ED, watery ejaculation and low libido. I saw a guy that he was taking HCG with Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and feeling good once he tried to change the HCG to testosterone injections he lost his libido again, his dick became limp and all the other bad symptoms came back as he said, I think pure testosterone can decrease DHT am I right?. So why HCG can make things different to people? Does HCG increase DHT too? I'm thinking about taking proviron as I read some people feel an increase in libido. I'd like to know if I stop taking proviron my libido will decrease to the level I am now? I'm really desperate I would like to avoid testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) or Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) but if I need to use it and one day become off of anything and have a normal life again, that's what I'm aimming for.

Never took Finasteride or Accutane. Do you guys think its possible to revert my symptoms and have a normal life again?

Thank you please help me I can't stand it anymore.




Is pregnenolone a must with DHEA?
Why people take pregnenolone does it support the enzimes that convert into cortisol, into DHT?

"Watery ejaculations" ?
Your Natty T is 380 ng/dl and you took SERM's and it took you to 900 ng/dl?
am I reading this right?
You have me all confused...sounds like you are all over the place. Some guy told you this...that...
380 ng/dl is not a healthy T level for a 20 year old.

 

[Brazilianguy]

Yes it took me to 900 but now I'm 490 - 500.
Not that a guy told me something I saw a video from a guy called Lowtguy and he felt good on HCG but not good by just taking clomid even if the testosterone levels was the same. My question is. HCG has an impact of DHT? Because some people has their hair thinning by taking HCG. And as HCG seems to increase libido better than SERMS I'm thinking it has some impact on DHT.

 

[Alpin]

HCG raises E2 and DHEA...
It is associated with feelings of well being...
Don't know about clomid....most testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) docs don't even touch it and they use HCG instead.
At 490-500 you are not low....
You must do a few blood tests to get a good idea of what your baseline T levels are...
One test doesn't say nothing.
I was 594 ng/dl on one test and 663 ng/dl on another at 25 y.o. and 2 months before the 663 ng/dl....
I was at 896 ng/dl....
All with the same LH, FSH levels...
At your age I assume T fluctuates....there's no stable level.

 

[Brazilianguy]

Appolon do you know if its possible to have no libido if T levels are good, E2 good, prolactin good but low DHT?
I was reading a guy who took finasteride (I never touch in any 5AR inhibitor, only very high dosage of creatine that I think made me lose my equilibrium) and the guy was with all the symptoms post finasteride since 2003 and 2012 he was normal again and cured he didn't take anything now. Do you think that proviron and other drugs increase DHT and make it more stable? Like if I don't take it anymore my DHT will still be fine and my libido fine?

 

[Alpin]

Appolon do you know if its possible to have no libido if T levels are good, E2 good, prolactin good but low DHT?
I was reading a guy who took finasteride (I never touch in any 5AR inhibitor, only very high dosage of creatine that I think made me lose my equilibrium) and the guy was with all the symptoms post finasteride since 2003 and 2012 he was normal again and cured he didn't take anything now. Do you think that proviron and other drugs increase DHT and make it more stable? Like if I don't take it anymore my DHT will still be fine and my libido fine?

Sounds like you are thinking too fast. Let's slow things down for a minute. First off...Forget Proviron and other substances.
How much do you weigh?
How long have you been working out?
Do you get a good nights sleep?
Has your doc looked for Sleep Apnea....
All these things can effect your well being...even with good T levels.
I know...I was there.
500 ng/dl is not a bad level. I'm sure a lot of guys here if they had that level they would not be on TRT.
How long did you take these SERM's for?
Everyday dosing of clomid is not really necessary.
There's a study from the Lahey clinic that says it works well EOD 3 times a week at 50 mg each dose in young males...
and over the long term....so you can take it for 4 months or more at a time.
This is a way better option when using clomid...less side effects and you are basically getting the same effect.
I wouldn't run clomid ED unless I was really suppressed or coming off cycle and I needed my levels to go up fast.
You want steady and long term cause you are trying to maintain an elevated Natty T level.
Yes many people feel better off Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) than clomid...everyone is different. Some don't care at all how they feel and just stick with the prescribed therapy if it is working for them.
HCG shuts down your LH...clomid does not....it works with your LH to increase it endogenously. Big difference.
After a while your leydig cells get descensitized the more you run this stuff and the effect weans...
that's why everuyone winds up on TRT...cause their testes cannot respond to Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) or Clomid as the young guys do.

 

[Alpin]

If your T was 380 before SERM's and you have 500 ng/dl now....
I don't see how you lost out of this deal. How many weeks off the SERM's were you with the 500 ng/dl level?

 

[Brazilianguy]

I think more than 5 weeks off of SERMs. I think Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is better than clomid because it may increase DHEA and DHT. I also see people getting ginecomastia from high E2 from Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) but the same high E2 with low DHT doesn't seem to get man boobs or increased prostate. So I think there's a connection between the two.

This guy fixed all his problems with Feast Juicing, increasing LH, FSh and DHT. And now he is cured he doesn't take anything. And he was bad by Finasteride. I never touch this drug.

I'm cured. : Recoveries

 

[Alpin]

I think more than 5 weeks off of SERMs. I think Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is better than clomid because it may increase DHEA and DHT. I also see people getting ginecomastia from high E2 from Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) but the same high E2 with low DHT doesn't seem to get man boobs or increased prostate. So I think there's a connection between the two.

This guy fixed all his problems with Feast Juicing, increasing LH, FSh and DHT. And now he is cured he doesn't take anything. And he was bad by Finasteride. I never touch this drug.

I'm cured. : Recoveries

Finasteride is PROSCAR...I think. No?
What is the fascination with DHT my friend?
HCG will shut you down...just to let you know.
When you come off Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) you will be below your pre SERM natty 380 T.T.
Have you used any steroids in the past, why is your T low for a 20 year old?

 

[Alpin]

Brazilian...
That link to CDNUTS post is 9 pages long...
I don't see where he backs up his "success" by blood work results...
Sounds like he ran a couple PCT's....
How long he stays at the desired level...only time will tell.

 

[Brazilianguy]

Yes Finasteride is Proscar.

I know that Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) shut down but then is just using SERM again and it will increase.
I don't think my testosterone level is low now and even before as I see many guys from 300 to 400 feeling fine. DHT it's more important I guess. I'm facinated with DHT because I see it can increase libido, energy, braing fog and all the other things that I complain. I think high E2 with low DHT there's no side effect like prostate getting bigger, man boobs because I'm reading some exams and the people are saying that even with high E2 they're not getting any side effect from it. But when people use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) (thinking it increase both DHT and E2) they get the prostate getting bigger and also man boobs, some lose hair the only reason I think it does it because it increases DHT too.

The CDNUTS said he is more than a year cured so I think he is really cured because one year the whole body is balanced if he wasn't cured his body will have shut down before.

 

[ASAP]

380 is very low for a 20yr old. I'm 22 and I'm at 400 I feel like poop I'm currently taking 500iu e3d and I don't feel any different hope this changes

 

[Alpin]

380 is very low for a 20yr old. I'm 22 and I'm at 400 I feel like poop I'm currently taking 500iu e3d and I don't feel any different hope this changes

How long have you been on it?
I wouldn't go more than 500 i.u.
more Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) desensitizes and aromatizes in the testes which in itself could cause hypogonadism.
At 25 y.o. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) mono protocol put me at 965 ng/dl T.T.
(350 i.u. 3 times per week with 0.25 mg ADEX EOD)

 

[ASAP]

How long have you been on it?
I wouldn't go more than 500 i.u.
more Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) desensitizes and aromatizes in the testes which in itself could cause hypogonadism.
At 25 y.o. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) mono protocol put me at 965 ng/dl T.T.
(350 i.u. 3 times per week with 0.25 mg ADEX EOD)

This is only my second week doc wants to do six weeks and if this doesn't work she wants to add something else? Maybe hmg idk. But I don't feel anything maybe a little worse if that's possible lolz. I would rather just go on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) to be honest with ya

 

[ASAP]

How long have you been on it?
I wouldn't go more than 500 i.u.
more Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) desensitizes and aromatizes in the testes which in itself could cause hypogonadism.
At 25 y.o. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) mono protocol put me at 965 ng/dl T.T.
(350 i.u. 3 times per week with 0.25 mg ADEX EOD)

Did you feel any better more energy mood libido erections? I've read some cases where Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) mono raises t levels but patients don't really feel any better