libertycapuk
New member
Hey guys,
First off I'd like to thank anyone who's willing to donate a bit of their time to help out a newcomer to AAS, it's most appreciated.
Ok I'll start with briefly going over my background story regarding training etc. I'm 33 years old, trained consistently for nearly 6 years, training 5 days a week for 3 years and then 4 days a week for 3 years. I've hit, what I'd considered my genetic potential, meaning I haven't really gained any extra muscle in maybe in the last year no matter how hard I pushed myself in the gym.
I'd say I got myself in superb shape considering I wasn't on anything except a clean diet, whey protein and creatine. I got my body fat levels down to about 10%, and have a decent amount of lean muscle mass, for someone natural anyway.
So, where I'm at now? Well things have got a bit stale in the gym, as my gains were getting few and far between no matter how much I tried to switch it up. Couple this with a busy work schedule and a plateau in strength meant I started neglecting my training, and ended up spending the latter part of 2013, sep, oct, nov, dec - training on and off, an average of 1 or 2 times a week.
Yea, I've lost size and strength, and also gained at least 5 percent body fat due to a poor diet which (in my case) normally coincides with a neglected training schedule, but I've started to pull it back around in January this year.
Anyway I apologise for the long windedness of this post, but I wanted to give you a fairly detailed-ish background on where I'm at now. Ok, so I started my first cycle 3 weeks a go. It's basically just Test 400 at 1ml every Sunday - I've had 3 shots so far. It's probably only in the last 3 days that I've started to notice subtle changes in libido and strength. Energy wise I still feel worn out, long story I've suffered with chronic fatigue for years.
One of the reasons I started this cycle was the hope that a bit of test might wake me up somewhat, and also give me a push towards going beyond my genetic potential, and reignite that dedication and commitment I once had to achieving a fantastic physique.
So my dilemma is, everyone I speak to at my local gym say I'm on such a low dose that I won't need an AI or PCT, except maybe a handful of natural testosterone boosters, but from everything I've read on the Internet, people seem to unanimously agree that an AI like aromasin should be taken throughout the cycle, along with hcg shots eod. Apparently the hcg shots should continue into PCT, followed by the introduction of nolvadex and clomid, 14 days after my last Test 400 shot?
My question to you kind and knowledgable individuals is - is this protocol an absolute necessity? Can I get away without running an AI through the cycle, and just take nolvadex and clomid PCT. Do I really need to take HCG shots at all regardless of the small dose of test I'm on. Most guys I've spoken to also don't take hcg shots, on cycle or PCT.
I'm currently trying to get hold of some nolvadex and clomid through my source, but do I also need to take aromasin on cycle, or would nolvadex be fine if it is deemed necessary to run an AI on cycle. It's a been a nightmare trying to get my head around all of this.
Once again I thank you all for any help you can offer me
First off I'd like to thank anyone who's willing to donate a bit of their time to help out a newcomer to AAS, it's most appreciated.
Ok I'll start with briefly going over my background story regarding training etc. I'm 33 years old, trained consistently for nearly 6 years, training 5 days a week for 3 years and then 4 days a week for 3 years. I've hit, what I'd considered my genetic potential, meaning I haven't really gained any extra muscle in maybe in the last year no matter how hard I pushed myself in the gym.
I'd say I got myself in superb shape considering I wasn't on anything except a clean diet, whey protein and creatine. I got my body fat levels down to about 10%, and have a decent amount of lean muscle mass, for someone natural anyway.
So, where I'm at now? Well things have got a bit stale in the gym, as my gains were getting few and far between no matter how much I tried to switch it up. Couple this with a busy work schedule and a plateau in strength meant I started neglecting my training, and ended up spending the latter part of 2013, sep, oct, nov, dec - training on and off, an average of 1 or 2 times a week.
Yea, I've lost size and strength, and also gained at least 5 percent body fat due to a poor diet which (in my case) normally coincides with a neglected training schedule, but I've started to pull it back around in January this year.
Anyway I apologise for the long windedness of this post, but I wanted to give you a fairly detailed-ish background on where I'm at now. Ok, so I started my first cycle 3 weeks a go. It's basically just Test 400 at 1ml every Sunday - I've had 3 shots so far. It's probably only in the last 3 days that I've started to notice subtle changes in libido and strength. Energy wise I still feel worn out, long story I've suffered with chronic fatigue for years.
One of the reasons I started this cycle was the hope that a bit of test might wake me up somewhat, and also give me a push towards going beyond my genetic potential, and reignite that dedication and commitment I once had to achieving a fantastic physique.
So my dilemma is, everyone I speak to at my local gym say I'm on such a low dose that I won't need an AI or PCT, except maybe a handful of natural testosterone boosters, but from everything I've read on the Internet, people seem to unanimously agree that an AI like aromasin should be taken throughout the cycle, along with hcg shots eod. Apparently the hcg shots should continue into PCT, followed by the introduction of nolvadex and clomid, 14 days after my last Test 400 shot?
My question to you kind and knowledgable individuals is - is this protocol an absolute necessity? Can I get away without running an AI through the cycle, and just take nolvadex and clomid PCT. Do I really need to take HCG shots at all regardless of the small dose of test I'm on. Most guys I've spoken to also don't take hcg shots, on cycle or PCT.
I'm currently trying to get hold of some nolvadex and clomid through my source, but do I also need to take aromasin on cycle, or would nolvadex be fine if it is deemed necessary to run an AI on cycle. It's a been a nightmare trying to get my head around all of this.
Once again I thank you all for any help you can offer me
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