hey guys need some advise on 1st cycle ever

FrankTh0mas

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Hey Fellas, I'm new to the forum and to the darkside of things. I've been lifting for 10 years, currently 26yr old 5'11'' 190lbs about 13% bf. I've been at a plateau for a few years just maintaining the same weight maybe fluctuating 5 to 10lbs never dropping below 185lbs. I've recently decided to see how far my body can go with a little assistance from AAS. One of my good friends and training partners, which is pretty familiar with AAS is going to join me for the ride. Considering its my 1st cycle ever I was going to try Test 400 and anavar cycle. But after speaking to a pretty reliable source suggested that we should stack Test - E and Tbol instead then cut with anavar afterwards. After a a few months of reading and researching the side effects and benefits or both stacks we've decided to go with the Test-E and Tbol stack. My problem is that this source also informed me that a 12 week cycle of each at 250mg 2xweek of Test-E and 50mg ED of the tbol will be idea, after reading many forums and books I'm seeing alot of talk on orals that they shouldnt be ran for any longer than 8 weeks. I'd love to get some insight as to whats the correct dosing for a guy of my size stacking both these. I also should add that I would like to be a 215lbs and 5 to 8% bf after my post cycle therapy (pct) (Nolvadex) which also I'd like to have some info on this which the source told me take it at 50mg a day for 2 weeks, which doesn't jive with what I've been reading. My training regiment is pretty strenuous, would like to know how much cardio I should be doing and how many cals, protein , fats and carbs which out too much bloat. Any help would be much appreciated thanks guys!!
 
Dont ever run orals longer than 6 weeks. I only run them for 4 weeks only bc i want to keep my liver. Also Make sure you take a liver protecter with your oral And i would go with test E with tbol. Pin test e twice a week like your saying. 250mgs monday and 250mgs on thursday. I would wait to use Anavar (var) if your trying to bulk up. 50mgs should be fine for tbol You can up it if you want but i would stick with 50mgs ED for 4 weeks.
for post cycle therapy (pct) you need to have nolva and clomid. Nolva at 40/40/20/20 and clomid at 50/50/50/50. How much cals and protein do you take in daily?
 
I try to take in about 300gs of protein a day trying to consume more. Havent bought any of the gear yet so any changes to the cycle is not a problem. I'm also hearing from alot of ppl that a test e cycle only would be good considering its my 1st cycle ever. i have some concerns as to sides of reproduction and liver and rage issues I want this cycle to be easy on my body and mind. my source for the gear told me not to run any liver cleanser while on orals due to their ability to diminish their potency and hinder gains, and to cleanse after while running my post cycle therapy (pct) with liver 52 or all max liver detox.
 
Yea man im about to run my 7th cycle and im doing test only. With proper training and diet, you'll be more than pleased with your results. Liver cleanser will not diminish potency, and you should definatly take one if doing an oral.
 
I try to take in about 300gs of protein a day trying to consume more. Havent bought any of the gear yet so any changes to the cycle is not a problem. I'm also hearing from alot of ppl that a test e cycle only would be good considering its my 1st cycle ever. i have some concerns as to sides of reproduction and liver and rage issues I want this cycle to be easy on my body and mind. my source for the gear told me not to run any liver cleanser while on orals due to their ability to diminish their potency and hinder gains, and to cleanse after while running my post cycle therapy (pct) with liver 52 or all max liver detox.

Idk how running liv 52 would diminish your potency and hinder gains. I think that is just a myth. I want my liver to be protected idk about you lol and 300grams of protein a day is good. And test wont mess with your mind and you wont get rage from it. Test is not hard on you. You will be fine but i would run liv 52 with the oral that just me tho.
 
what types of differences in gains would there be between running simply test e at 500mgs a week alone or combined with the 50mgs of tbol ED?
 
lol and also is it possible to gain 20lbs of lean muscle on this type of stack with the amount of protein im consuming? or any other suggestions u guys may have to maximize my results ?
 
500 mg a week wont make you rage :)) get aromasin or another Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand, consider eod dosing if no symptoms pop up, get the post cycle therapy (pct) plan in order, great sticky on that so go read it
the oral vary in use time depending on the toxicity, the Tbal is probable good for 4 weeks, give it a search and see, the anavar is fine at 8 weeks, i see girls go 10 weeks
 
lol and also is it possible to gain 20lbs of lean muscle on this type of stack with the amount of protein im consuming? or any other suggestions u guys may have to maximize my results ?

Yes it is possible you can hit 20 pounds easy with this cycle. You will gain more than 20 pounds. But diet is the key .
 
thanks guys really appreciate it!! :) but i think im going to take the advise of a test e only cycle considering its my 1st time.

so week 1-12 test e @ 250mg 2xweek
week 1-12 nolvadex @ 20mg ED

2 weeks off follow by
week 15-16 nolvadex 40mg ED / clomid 50mg ED
week 17-18 nolvadex 20mg ED / clomid 50mg ED

Correct? lol and sorry for all the questions lol
 
thanks guys really appreciate it!! :) but i think im going to take the advise of a test e only cycle considering its my 1st time.

so week 1-12 test e @ 250mg 2xweek
week 1-12 nolvadex @ 20mg ED

2 weeks off follow by
week 15-16 nolvadex 40mg ED / clomid 50mg ED
week 17-18 nolvadex 20mg ED / clomid 50mg ED

Correct? lol and sorry for all the questions lol

please read this http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...-aromatize-inhibitors-gyno-pct-must-read.html
, you're using a SERM drug but have no Aromatase inhibitor (AI) reduction, so you will not get tits just bloated and weepy :)) keep that Nolvadex on hand but find a real Aromatase inhibitor (AI) for use
 
thanks guys really appreciate it!! :) but i think im going to take the advise of a test e only cycle considering its my 1st time.

so week 1-12 test e @ 250mg 2xweek
week 1-12 nolvadex @ 20mg ED

2 weeks off follow by
week 15-16 nolvadex 40mg ED / clomid 50mg ED
week 17-18 nolvadex 20mg ED / clomid 50mg ED

Correct? lol and sorry for all the questions lol

Looks fine to me bro. but why are you running nolva during cycle instead of adex?
 
running nolvadex instead of arimidex? not sure do u suggest i should substitute ? i keep hearing from friends that all i need is nolvadex and that clomid and arimidex isnt worth it... is that true??
 
Everyone here runs arimidex on cycle. I would run arimidex on cycle bc i think it is better. But it is up to you bro.
 
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