How did you Build your base naturally or enhanced?

[Norsegod]

Naturally is the only way to do it. I say this because once you reach a natural plateau then you break through it with simpler cycles. On these "simple cycles"one can only grow so much. Once another true plateau is reached then we introduce stronger compound like tren. Go for awhile and reach another limit. Then gh comes in. Go for awhile, then slin. When we start off with strong compounds then we limit or potential to a point. Or if we build a base on gear then it really isn't a base. It becomes more difficult to maintain that base and we again limit or potential to a point. Bulls naturally then work your way up. Imho, it is stupid and a waste to do it any other way.

 

[Rastas]

Naturally is the only way to do it. I say this because once you reach a natural plateau then you break through it with simpler cycles. On these "simple cycles"one can only grow so much. Once another true plateau is reached then we introduce stronger compound like tren. Go for awhile and reach another limit. Then gh comes in. Go for awhile, then slin. When we start off with strong compounds then we limit or potential to a point. Or if we build a base on gear then it really isn't a base. It becomes more difficult to maintain that base and we again limit or potential to a point. Bulls naturally then work your way up. Imho, it is stupid and a waste to do it any other way.

Agreed. Stepping stones, boys.

 

[Norsegod]

I have had so many clients say they did research on gear then don't know even the most basic things like thinking they can pin test one every two weeks or that 100-200 mgs per week will get them huge. Then ask these guys saying they trained for two years and we're ready for gear....Wtf

I trained for eleven years naturally and researched gear for 6-7 years, with the last two years of research being an all day everyday thing, before I ran my first cycle at 25. Now,I realize everyone is different with their own circumstances, but holy shit. It just sounds like pure laziness and thus inherent sense of entitlement to me.

I am a strong believer in that if you are going to do something-Idc if it's being a heroin addict-then you need to do it the best, most correct way possible. Be the best Fucking heroin addict there is. If you're going to cheat your way through life and half ass everything, especially something as important and training, hormone manipulation/use, then do it the correct Fucking way!

 

[Protobuilder69]

From my experience and what i've seen from others, If you build a base naturally, you can get better results from using less gear, than if you jump on the wagon from the get go, you'll need higher and higher doses to get anything out of them.

I myself can get amazing results from 60mg anavar only, tbol only or 400mg test only cycle, but a buddy of mine is using 750mg test, 750mg eq and 400mg tren and he's barely getting anything out of it, because he started using early without any foundation, just look at boston lloyd, he looks like fuking shit and uses extremely high doses.

 

[XELFLEC]

Hopefully this comment doesn't derail this thread.
If you google images Bostin , I can't find very many pictures of him looking like shit.
Not saying he didn't over due it. But I'd say he went all in and it worked.(all health aside lol)

 

[Norsegod]

I agree to an extent. Yes, with a better-naturally accomplished -base then you will definitely get better results with the gear you use and one could get away with less gear. , keeping your bf% on the low side all year, then you will most certainly get better results on gear. I keep mine below eleven percent and I get so shredded and vascular even on compound known to bloat you like dbol.

Now, with that said, there are also bros that have issues with androgen receptors either due to genetics or then there are those guys that were either taught that more is better or are dumb enough to think that in their own without even trying to use lower doses so as a result, down regulate their own receptors. There are so many variables that go into your statement.....

Now, as I stated about the stepping stones, thay includes dosing protocols. We should always start as low as possible and remain thay way until we are not able to get respectable results from that dose. A lot of have ruined their bodybuilding careers from using too much gear, too soon.

A DO IT RIGHT OR DON'T FUCKING DO IT AT ALL!

 

[Protobuilder69]

I agree to an extent. Yes, with a better-naturally accomplished -base then you will definitely get better results with the gear you use and one could get away with less gear. , keeping your bf% on the low side all year, then you will most certainly get better results on gear. I keep mine below eleven percent and I get so shredded and vascular even on compound known to bloat you like dbol.

Now, with that said, there are also bros that have issues with androgen receptors either due to genetics or then there are those guys that were either taught that more is better or are dumb enough to think that in their own without even trying to use lower doses so as a result, down regulate their own receptors. There are so many variables that go into your statement.....

Now, as I stated about the stepping stones, thay includes dosing protocols. We should always start as low as possible and remain thay way until we are not able to get respectable results from that dose. A lot of have ruined their bodybuilding careers from using too much gear, too soon.

A DO IT RIGHT OR DON'T FUCKING DO IT AT ALL!

Great fuking post bud.
Dorian yates used less gear than most guys on here, and i do believe everything he said about his dosing, he said its always better to start with low dose and build up gradually as you get bigger and stronger

 

[HUGE.HULK]

Most people here have no clue at all what steroids are. All they now is: "I want roids!" Their research in this domain is zero, the experience in training & dieting is zero, most of them are pussies in their 20's. Stupid kids that want to fuck themselves up and then a bitch will announce "another tragedy happened" on the 5 o'clock news.
And politicians will use this shitty story about a dumb fuck who killed himself to finance another campaign against "the drug dealers that kill our kids".
STEROIDS DON'T KILL PEOPLE. STUPIDITY KILLS PEOPLE.