How do these vegan bodybuilders get so massive? I don't get it.. low quality proteins

[goingtowin]

In all my life of lifting and researching everyone eventually learns that plant proteins are not **** compared to animal proteins..

However some of these vegan bodybuilders are MASSIVE.. I don't get it.. you can eat all the damn quinoa in the world but it's still a weak source of protein compared to chicken/eggs/milk yet these guys get huge.

And it's only like 8g per cup cooked. How the hell do these guys do it I don't understand.. I've wanted to go vegetarian for a long time but never actually transitioned for bodybuilder purposes (It's for personal beliefs not health)

the vast majority of plant proteins are not complete sources of protein and the few that are don't have very much in it and are still in low quality compared to animal proteins..

Can anyone explain how these guys do it? I can understand how a vegetarian bodybuilder can get massive because they really don't have any disadvantages being able to consume milk and eat eggs.. But vegans can't touch ANY animal products.

 

[rikardo82]

I personally don't buy high protein BS I never saw any difference when I eat high protein 6 meals per day with many protein shakes VS when just eat 2 X per day normal meals without any protein shakes. it depends from your body genetics hormones how food is processed to grow muscle, same like some car engines are fuel efficient some are not, same with body some can utilize less protein in more muscles some can't. That is what happens when you are on gear without gear I could eat all protein in world yet never had much muscle increase add gear eat normal 2 meals per day and my engine just become more fuel efficient...

 

[electricred]

Who? I'm a former vegan and still respect the lifestyle, and keep an eye out for any new information or athletes that perform well with such a restrictive diet. But, I've never seen a vegan bodybuilder that built his physique without animal products that I would consider even close to "massive". The few that look good usually switched later in life or are clearly supplementing with anabolics. The ones I'm confident used veganism to build their bodies are usually much smaller, sort of average looking but lean guys.

 

[Hypnotix]

In all my life of lifting and researching everyone eventually learns that plant proteins are not **** compared to animal proteins..

However some of these vegan bodybuilders are MASSIVE.. I don't get it.. you can eat all the damn quinoa in the world but it's still a weak source of protein compared to chicken/eggs/milk yet these guys get huge.

And it's only like 8g per cup cooked. How the hell do these guys do it I don't understand.. I've wanted to go vegetarian for a long time but never actually transitioned for bodybuilder purposes (It's for personal beliefs not health)

the vast majority of plant proteins are not complete sources of protein and the few that are don't have very much in it and are still in low quality compared to animal proteins..

Can anyone explain how these guys do it? I can understand how a vegetarian bodybuilder can get massive because they really don't have any disadvantages being able to consume milk and eat eggs.. But vegans can't touch ANY animal products.

Isn't milk 6g per cup? Quinoa beats that and provides a complex carb in the process? Quinoa is also a complete protein if I recall. It contains most or all the amino acids to make it a complete protein. Just saying.

I'm not vegan, but fuck dairy for one. Most people should steer clear of that entire group anyway.. that damn gastrointestinal distress, constipation, gas, etc. If you remove it for a week or two COMPLETELY, then add some in again you'll know right away what I'm talking about. Try Gluten too..

At the end of the day man, it's calories in vs. calories out. Quality carbs, proteins, fats are great for health purposes.. but if you could get a good balance of macros from McDonalds and eat more than you're burning off, you'll put on muscle. Provided you're training too. You just may develop serious health issues long term if that actually was all you ate.

 

[Roush]

don't think I've ever seen a Vegan MR. Olympia..

two essential nutrients that the body absolutely has to have to survive , protein and fat.. remove one of those completely and you will never develop and you will die. nothing beats the high fat high protein of a big fat juicy steak. Cows were meant to be eaten by us, just look at them walking around grazing all day,, we are on top of the food chain as a predator, we require Meat and Fat to survive (not grass and hay,, there is a reason why a cow has four stomachs, as a 'vegan' animal').

Another thing to consider,, look at predators in nature,, their eyes are on the front of their head, why? because the predators focus is in front of them for the hunt, focused on the kill.. look at 'vegan' animals in nature, where are their eyes? on the side of their head.. why, because they need to be looking around side ways to watch out for predators trying to kill them while their head is down eating grass.
we are meat eating predators,, our eyes are in the front like all other predators,, and like all other predators we require meat and fat as essential nutrients (and the best source of this is eating another animal)

 

[Milton]

If you want to be a Mr. Olimpia you have to park a cow next to you all day and just gnaw at it when you need more protein and when you need more calcium to make your bones nice and strong to support all those muscles just get it from the cows tiit.

 

[electricred]

don't think I've ever seen a Vegan MR. Olympia..

two essential nutrients that the body absolutely has to have to survive , protein and fat.. remove one of those completely and you will never develop and you will die. nothing beats the high fat high protein of a big fat juicy steak. Cows were meant to be eaten by us, just look at them walking around grazing all day,, we are on top of the food chain as a predator, we require Meat and Fat to survive (not grass and hay,, there is a reason why a cow has four stomachs, as a 'vegan' animal').

Another thing to consider,, look at predators in nature,, their eyes are on the front of their head, why? because the predators focus is in front of them for the hunt, focused on the kill.. look at 'vegan' animals in nature, where are their eyes? on the side of their head.. why, because they need to be looking around side ways to watch out for predators trying to kill them while their head is down eating grass.
we are meat eating predators,, our eyes are in the front like all other predators,, and like all other predators we require meat and fat as essential nutrients (and the best source of this is eating another animal)

All of this is wrong. Meat is not necessary for survival. Also, snakes, crocodiles, raptors, sharks, etc have eyes on the side and are on top of the food chain in their environment. There are plenty of documented studies regarding the risks of over consuming meat. Our bodies have evolved to operate best with varied, stable diets, not to be carnivorous. But, for most here, our goals are beyond the scope of survival, and a mest focused diet will be the best path.

Also, primates are scavengers/foragers, not predators.

 

[Roush]

All of this is wrong. Meat is not necessary for survival. Also, snakes, crocodiles, raptors, sharks, etc have eyes on the side .

I pointed out specifically "Protein" and "Fat" are essential for survival.. show me where we can completely go without one of those and still survive. (sure, I said meat is the best source of those and thus concluded that meat is essential for survival being beat contains protein and fat,, but my first statement remains true)..

UMM.. snakes, sharks, raptors ? those are not mammals and are in no way related to humans and are irrelevant.


eating a balance diet is best ? like what, adding in grains and wheat?***8230; too bad most of what we add in to our diet besides protein and fat from animal sources is a large part of causing our diseases and health problems,, people don't get diabetes, immune system disorders, etc. from eating meat and fat (usually comes from those 'varied' diet additives like grains, sugars, etc.)

 

[juced_porkchop]

don't think I've ever seen a Vegan MR. Olympia..

two essential nutrients that the body absolutely has to have to survive , protein and fat.. remove one of those completely and you will never develop and you will die. nothing beats the high fat high protein of a big fat juicy steak. Cows were meant to be eaten by us, just look at them walking around grazing all day,, we are on top of the food chain as a predator, we require Meat and Fat to survive (not grass and hay,, there is a reason why a cow has four stomachs, as a 'vegan' animal').

Another thing to consider,, look at predators in nature,, their eyes are on the front of their head, why? because the predators focus is in front of them for the hunt, focused on the kill.. look at 'vegan' animals in nature, where are their eyes? on the side of their head.. why, because they need to be looking around side ways to watch out for predators trying to kill them while their head is down eating grass.
we are meat eating predators,, our eyes are in the front like all other predators,, and like all other predators we require meat and fat as essential nutrients (and the best source of this is eating another animal)

no offence but soo much BS in your post and this thread in general....

Gorillas dont eat meat generally and look at them. yes systems differ a bit but thats not the point.
cows are not here to be eaten, we have made it so through conditioning and made it "normal"... top of food chain? at one point we sat around tossing shit at eachother.... at that stage i could see needing to eat meat being so primitive and not knowing much.... id like to think we have advanced enough to know better and not undervalue every other creatures life just because we can kill it and are at the top of the food chain... id think that if anything we should have MORE respect since this is so....
"with great power comes great responsibility"

and OP
there are many plant sources that ARE complete proteins and for the ones that are not, you mix 2 or 3 veggies and its complete anyways! meat source is not superior IMO... its just easier because its what many where brought up to know.
yes you need to know how to eat right and transitioning means learning, but once you got it, its no diff than the meat diet, minus death of moving animals and possibly adding extra b12 to diet.

also nuts and olive oil are great for fats... if you eat only plants with low fat then that is an issue...

I have been meat free for over 10 years and pretty much vegan for 5, I will have whey or a little cheese or honey. but i dont really drink milk and i HATE eggs...
I might not be biggest to some of those crazy pro mofos (yet) , and i have had a rough last couple years which has effected my training.. but i am bigger than everyone i know and its rare to have some one bigger muscle wise around....
my point? you DO NOT need to eat meat to live or get gains so dont tell yourself that so you can sleep at night.
at this day in age you can go to grocery and fill your cart with high protein meatless products and be well off ( maybe better so) so in my opinion its not needed.
if i got stranded on an island and needed to survive THEN i would do what I need to sadly. otherwise its just BS people tell themselves so they dont feel bad.
and there are some BIG veg bbers. mind you most forums you see vegan or veg bbers they are tiny with a big ego... that is true... but thats same as we have here or other places with the noobs that think they know how to eat and train but are just "hard gainers" lol..

my whole family eats meat, so im not hating on you guys... but when the topic pops up and someones asking better believe ill be honest in how i feel and this is the above...

good day.



ps. its only hard at start, then you look back and wonder how you ate meat for soo long and felt fine with it when it was not needed but you said it was to yourself...

what i DO rec to all is ATLEAST try to make HALF your protein from veggies, its better for you and could be the start to moving to more veg than meat and nothing wrong with that! : )

 

[juced_porkchop]

Who? I'm a former vegan and still respect the lifestyle, and keep an eye out for any new information or athletes that perform well with such a restrictive diet. But, I've never seen a vegan bodybuilder that built his physique without animal products that I would consider even close to "massive". The few that look good usually switched later in life or are clearly supplementing with anabolics. The ones I'm confident used veganism to build their bodies are usually much smaller, sort of average looking but lean guys.

most of us use gear around here so i dont see why it matters if they used anabolics or not. still need diet and training. so size is size i agree most vegans tend to be smaller, but most dont do this for shows IMO

bill pearl> https://www.google.ca/search?q=bill...ved=0ahUKEwjwg-O68dvJAhXEOz4KHTd-B60Q_AUIBigB

and that was in the 60s!! we know much better now about diet AND anabolics.

i just posted him because it was the first name that came to mind

 

[Roush]

first off,, the title said "VEGAN".. Bill Pearl was not a Vegan,, though he did become a Vegetarian at age 39 (after building his size),, he STILL consumed animal Proteins as a vegetarian (again , he was not a vegan) ,, like milk and eggs.
not many muscular ""VEGANS"" out there

 

[juced_porkchop]

first off,, the title said "VEGAN".. Bill Pearl was not a Vegan,, though he did become a Vegetarian at age 39 (after building his size),, he STILL consumed animal Proteins as a vegetarian (again , he was not a vegan) ,, like milk and eggs.
not many muscular ""VEGANS"" out there

its very close... and milk can be sub for other things. eggs too... vegan is not far from veg so i thought it was applicable. its about knowing diet and i feel many VEGANS simply dont eat enough or well. my point is vegan or veg it can be done but DIET NEEDs to be on point and it is possible with or without animal product.
my point was the meat part of it since many focus on that part. i could care less about milk and eggs, specially eggs (chicken periods/abortions IMO)
you are right that he was veg and not vegan, like i said, just first person to come to mind when talking meat free.

its not the majority of the population that is meat free and i think that plays a big part in not seeing many BIG veg or vegans than the fact of being meat free, along with a crappy food intake ofcourse.
if the world was lets say 80% meat free then i feel it would be more common to see big guys "that are into bbing", but its not the case yet.

 

[Roush]

we can take Bob (who lifts) and Joe (who lifts) and say that Bob, the VEGAN,, can compete with Joe the meat eater, cause Bob as a vegan is bigger then Joe,, it does not matter, Bob is bigger because its 99% genetics. so you cannot make that comparison. In order to make a comparison you'd have to go to a more level playing field, where genetics are more equal.

Ok then, lets take all those who compete in the olympia,, they are all somewhat near the same genetic standards (compared to the rest of society), so the playing field is more equal.. now if one Olympian was a Vegan his whole life, and the other was a meat eater, you'd prob see a huge difference.. In fact, I doubt the vegan would even be on stage in the first place.

why,, efficiency. If I eat one 14 oz ny strip steak I get 800 calories, 75 grams of protein and 53 grams of fat (both essential nutrients).. just one steak and I'm set.

now a vegan will say you can get protein from vegetables.. ok fine, I'll take 10 mins and get all I need for half the day from that one steak.. where a vegan on the other hand would have to eat 75 cups of green beans to get that amount of protein (which is impossible) ,, and after he has ate those 75 cups of green beans, he is still without an essential nutrient, FAT.

it's just clearly more efficient to eat meat as your primary source of ESSENTIAL nutrients, protein and fat. theres no comparison..

note: being vegan for your own personal choice,, I have noting against it. just stating the obvious that meat is more efficient and also why every mr Olympia knows that as well. of course, if you don't compete and don't care,, it spinach all day every day, it don't matter,, wht you eat is your choice. but, science is pretty clear, meat eaters make the best body builders and are more efficient at building muscle.

 

[luckypaul]

I personally don't buy high protein BS I never saw any difference when I eat high protein 6 meals per day with many protein shakes VS when just eat 2 X per day normal meals without any protein shakes. it depends from your body genetics hormones how food is processed to grow muscle, same like some car engines are fuel efficient some are not, same with body some can utilize less protein in more muscles some can't. That is what happens when you are on gear without gear I could eat all protein in world yet never had much muscle increase add gear eat normal 2 meals per day and my engine just become more fuel efficient...

I think I remember Dorian yates saying 150 grams was what he used. I could be wrong. It's been a few years. Our problem is that it seems like every expert says something different.

 

[Roush]

you know, I never thought a user with a name like "Pork Chop" was a vegetarian

 

[juced_porkchop]

I will say i agree people liek this are a bit of a joke to me and makes other vegans look bad> Veges power bodybuilders' growth | Stuff.co.nz

like he clearly over trains if doing2hrs a day 6-7d a week and diet...
this is what most do look like. my point is possibilities....

 

[juced_porkchop]

we can take Bob (who lifts) and Joe (who lifts) and say that Bob, the VEGAN,, can compete with Joe the meat eater, cause Bob as a vegan is bigger then Joe,, it does not matter, Bob is bigger because its 99% genetics. so you cannot make that comparison. In order to make a comparison you'd have to go to a more level playing field, where genetics are more equal.

Ok then, lets take all those who compete in the olympia,, they are all somewhat near the same genetic standards (compared to the rest of society), so the playing field is more equal.. now if one Olympian was a Vegan his whole life, and the other was a meat eater, you'd prob see a huge difference.. In fact, I doubt the vegan would even be on stage in the first place.

why,, efficiency. If I eat one 14 oz ny strip steak I get 800 calories, 75 grams of protein and 53 grams of fat (both essential nutrients).. just one steak and I'm set.

now a vegan will say you can get protein from vegetables.. ok fine, I'll take 10 mins and get all I need for half the day from that one steak.. where a vegan on the other hand would have to eat 75 cups of green beans to get that amount of protein (which is impossible) ,, and after he has ate those 75 cups of green beans, he is still without an essential nutrient, FAT.

it's just clearly more efficient to eat meat as your primary source of ESSENTIAL nutrients, protein and fat. theres no comparison..

note: being vegan for your own personal choice,, I have noting against it. just stating the obvious that meat is more efficient and also why every mr Olympia knows that as well. of course, if you don't compete and don't care,, it spinach all day every day, it don't matter,, wht you eat is your choice. but, science is pretty clear, meat eaters make the best body builders and are more efficient at building muscle.

i agree it can be harder. but there are nutrient dense foods that are veggie and even veggie protein powders. you can have a shake of pea protein AND eat your meal if it makes it easier.
and nuts... you dont mention them... high fat and protein... a veggie stirfry with cashew nuts with some sesamee seed oil is amazing and full of everything you need in most cases (though i would rec adding taurine 1-3g ed and b12 with meat and specially without meat diets)
i add olive oil to most all of my meals.
no one (that knows how to eat) would go and eat 75 cups of beans.... thats not a good diet and just silly to compare like that... you need your fats, protein, and all the rest... i dont argue that, i argue your simplified view on it... and many vegans have it too... and why many are not very big... they dont know how to eat and may eat like you just posted which is silly, the same goes for meat eaters that dont know how to eat well for gains.

more work? sure very likely... but its about what feels right and veg and vegans tend to HAVE an issue with meat eating and is why they avoid it, they dont avoid it thinking it would be better or easier for muscle growth (which is debatable).

easier? likely not
better for you? yes IMO
the way most of the world will trend and go over the coming decades? yes IMO

i agree that people should eat what they want. but dont think just because its easier to eat meat for protein, its best or right.
ill leave it at that

 

[juced_porkchop]

you know, I never thought a user with a name like "Pork Chop" was a vegetarian

LMFAO!!!!! yeah i know.... it throws people off alot.... or they think im joking.. specially when i used to work as a bouncer at a local night club... had one guy laughing so hard when i told him i dont eat meat he started crying and saying im soo funny and veg or vegans are soo stupid.. i kept saying im not joking and he laughed even more... till he saw i was not joking... then he got very quiet...
I wasnt even upset TBH because i understand alot of people see meat free lifestyles as a joke or think of someone that looks like they have AID's... it sucks alot of veg people dont eat well and do some crappy cross fit or over train when they actually are serious lol
alot seem to be snobby and push it on others and say how they are better..
I am not "better" than anyone, but its what feels right to me and yes I FEEL its wrong... but my mom and dad dont, my brother.. my massive family.. they dont have my views to i dont hate on them, i do mention things like I have here, but not in a demeaning way. people have their own views and if they are open to others or mine then i do enjoy that.

ohh back to PoRKCHOP... im Portuguese so; Portuguese is to porkchop like italian is to wopp. its just a silly racial term i found funny. I had one guy as me if i juice porkchops for protein source!!! hahaha

 

[Roush]

the way most of the world will trend and go over the coming decades? yes IMO

I agree with a lot of what you said.. but we definitely are coming at this from two totally opposite spectrums

I see society going away from real food based products (like meat, fat, dairy etc.) and going towards vegetables, fruits, grains, carbs, etc***8230; basically going from stuff that has to be refrigerated and going to stuff that can just sit on the shelf.

This transition is making society sicker,, all for the sake of saving $ and convenience (and so they tell us eating grains, carbs, veggies is healthy). . harvesting animals for food is a lot of $ and a lot of work.. feeding the masses with mass farming grown crops is much easier,, but is causing a lot of disease and health issues,, personally, going back to a 'real food' diet of Meat and Fats would be a better trend for a healthier society. but again, its hard to feed the masses on food stamps a good fat steak or salmon,, easier and less money to feed them grains (just like they feed the pigs)..

I think the grain and farming industry is just fine with the rise of 'non meat based' diets, and will spend plenty of money spinning that idea as somehow healthier.

of course.. personal choice on what you eat is all that matters. if eating a vegetable based diet makes someone feel better health wise, then more power to them

 

[Havasu]

For the record....I eat meat because it's tasty, and I like it. I also don't need to tell myself anything to not feel bad about it. I don't feel about eating meat. It sucks that I'm sure many animals are mistreated in the process, however that is, for the most part, out of my control. I learned a long time ago to worry about things, and to focus my energy on things within my control; or else you will drive yourself crazy.