How do you determine YOUR pct protocol?
Have no cycles under my belt (yet), but I'm trying to learn as much as possible about the stuff before I make the inevitable step in the future.
There seems to be a lot of conflicting info re: post cycle therapy (pct) (yes, I've read the stickies and done searches... on this site and many others). So, here are two questions I have:
1) What determines post cycle therapy (pct) length?
Seems like the majority of post cycle therapy (pct) lengths range from 4-6 weeks. Is the length something that is determined according to severity of the cycle? Like, I'm sure a 16 week test/deca would require a longer post cycle therapy (pct) than a 8 week test/winny cycle, no? But how do you gauge it exactly?
Is it something that you can gauge as your post cycle therapy (pct) cycle goes along? If so, in what way do you monitor and implement these changes? Like, how do you know when to adjust, and when your body has gotten back to normal so as to allow you to end your post cycle therapy (pct)? (how do you know when to terminate post cycle therapy (pct))
2) Nolva and Clomid and doses
The only common thing I seem to see is that people like to taper off their post cycle therapy (pct) doses to some extent or another.
But regarding doses, and what to use, there's a lot of debate.
I see, for example, certain doses recommended which studies have shown to be ineffective. For example, I've seen studies say that Nolva ran above 20mg is simply wasteful and doesn't do anything... but then others say that it's just to get blood levels up? What does that even mean!
Which leads me to believe that, if you can't go above 20mg for maximum effectiveness, that you should try a stack instead, for maximum effectiveness. However, seems like the literature says there's no documented synergy that results from using the two together, and yet people talk all the time about how they 'feel' a combo works better for them than just picking one over the other. Whether that's anecdotal proof or broscience, I dunno.
Are there situations in which one is preferred over the other? (i.e. Nolva over Clomid or vice versa) I've seen people advise against using Nolva after a progestin cycle, but if it's my first cycle I wouldn't use a progestin in the first place. I've seen people advise against Clomid for its potential emotional side effects, which is making me lean towards Nolva.
Finally, are there any rules of thumb when it comes to post cycle therapy (pct) that I'm not aware of?
I know that post cycle therapy (pct) is subjective and more of an art than a science, but still. Obviously the best way to figure it out is to try all the angles, but I guess I want to know how a noob like me can best prepare for his first post cycle therapy (pct) with nothing but text to go off of (no experience).
Any input is welcome... I know I raised a lot of points in my post. I'm so lost, lol.
Have no cycles under my belt (yet), but I'm trying to learn as much as possible about the stuff before I make the inevitable step in the future.
There seems to be a lot of conflicting info re: post cycle therapy (pct) (yes, I've read the stickies and done searches... on this site and many others). So, here are two questions I have:
1) What determines post cycle therapy (pct) length?
Seems like the majority of post cycle therapy (pct) lengths range from 4-6 weeks. Is the length something that is determined according to severity of the cycle? Like, I'm sure a 16 week test/deca would require a longer post cycle therapy (pct) than a 8 week test/winny cycle, no? But how do you gauge it exactly?
Is it something that you can gauge as your post cycle therapy (pct) cycle goes along? If so, in what way do you monitor and implement these changes? Like, how do you know when to adjust, and when your body has gotten back to normal so as to allow you to end your post cycle therapy (pct)? (how do you know when to terminate post cycle therapy (pct))
2) Nolva and Clomid and doses
The only common thing I seem to see is that people like to taper off their post cycle therapy (pct) doses to some extent or another.
But regarding doses, and what to use, there's a lot of debate.
I see, for example, certain doses recommended which studies have shown to be ineffective. For example, I've seen studies say that Nolva ran above 20mg is simply wasteful and doesn't do anything... but then others say that it's just to get blood levels up? What does that even mean!
Which leads me to believe that, if you can't go above 20mg for maximum effectiveness, that you should try a stack instead, for maximum effectiveness. However, seems like the literature says there's no documented synergy that results from using the two together, and yet people talk all the time about how they 'feel' a combo works better for them than just picking one over the other. Whether that's anecdotal proof or broscience, I dunno.
Are there situations in which one is preferred over the other? (i.e. Nolva over Clomid or vice versa) I've seen people advise against using Nolva after a progestin cycle, but if it's my first cycle I wouldn't use a progestin in the first place. I've seen people advise against Clomid for its potential emotional side effects, which is making me lean towards Nolva.
Finally, are there any rules of thumb when it comes to post cycle therapy (pct) that I'm not aware of?
I know that post cycle therapy (pct) is subjective and more of an art than a science, but still. Obviously the best way to figure it out is to try all the angles, but I guess I want to know how a noob like me can best prepare for his first post cycle therapy (pct) with nothing but text to go off of (no experience).
Any input is welcome... I know I raised a lot of points in my post. I'm so lost, lol.
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