How much Deca I can safely take on TRT dosage of Cyp?

[AverageMan]

I’m on a TRT Cyp dose of 60mg E3.5D. What is the most amount of Deca I can safely dose? Right now currently dosing 60mg of Deca E3.5D with the Cyp. I know, this is a very low dose but I’ve never run a cycle and am taking it slow so I can determine impact / sides.

I’ve read that Test to Deca ratio should be around 3:2. Right now I’m at 1:1. Looking for wisdom on how much I can safely increase my Deca dosing while on TRT.

 

[clman8585]

If yur trt is dialed in. Id run 600mg deca for 16 weeks. Or if you want it as part of your trt protocol..200mg a week is gtg.

 

[Megatron28]

Up to 800mg/wk of Deca should be fine. Test/Deca ratios are "old school" talk. Manage E2 and Prolactin while on Deca and you will be fine.

 

[AverageMan]

Thanks for the quick replies. I'm on .25 Adex 2X a week. How do I manage Prolactin?

 

[Megatron28]

Thanks for the quick replies. I'm on .25 Adex 2X a week. How do I manage Prolactin?

First line of defense is to keep E2 in the healthy range. Deca aromatizes so you may have to increase your AI dose depending on how much you run. Question is how much.

Second line of defense is a Dopamine Agonist. Read more about them in my link below to the FAQs sticky.

 

[AverageMan]

Thanks - I was reading Austinite's post http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...agement-gynecomastia-prevention-reversal.html

Seems managing E2 is paramount and managing prolactin is secondary.

One more quick question. I'm on TRT and need to have bloods done very 90 days for the doc. Is 6 weeks enough to get get the deca out of my system? Is it true that Deca will cause a false high T when getting bloods?

 

[Megatron28]

Thanks - I was reading Austinite's post http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...agement-gynecomastia-prevention-reversal.html

Seems managing E2 is paramount and managing prolactin is secondary.

One more quick question. I'm on TRT and need to have bloods done very 90 days for the doc. Is 6 weeks enough to get get the deca out of my system? Is it true that Deca will cause a false high T when getting bloods?

That's why I ranked the "lines of defense" for you.

Deca can show up as a false positive on TT reading. Depends on the method of testing. See the following thread for more info.

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/679384-help-me-out-these-bloods-guys.html

6 weeks should be enough time. Confirm with private blood work before submitting to your doc's blood work.

 

[Albiedamned]

Mega as usual has nailed it on your best practices. I'll add that I've added Deca to my TRT for 24 weeks now at 200mg a week. This was my first time using a 19-nor compound so even at this dosage I was concerned about my bodies reactions so I changed from using zinc/copper and DIM to control my E2, to a standard dosage of arimadex. At first I drove it into the dirt, then lowered my arimadex dose to get in a better range. Bottom line is in that time, my joints feel better, I can run farther and faster than I ever could before, I was able to up my lifts in the gym when not running a calorie deficit. And my body is looking the best it's ever been. I still have about 6 more months of dieting, training, and recomposition, ahead of me, but I can see where I'll end up and it's exactly what I have been working towards. TRT changed my life, adding Deca at a reasonable dosage changed my TRT. Concerning lab work, I noticed a big jump in free T after about 6 weeks of deca, and a slight increase in total T. That was about it. I lowered my Test cyp dose by ~10% (180mg weekly down to 160) 3 weeks out from my MD testing and I was in range, but just barely. Always get your own labs before your doctor visit. That is not a place for surprises.

 

[DucBase]

That's why I ranked the "lines of defense" for you.

Deca can show up as a false positive on TT reading. Depends on the method of testing. See the following thread for more info.

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/679384-help-me-out-these-bloods-guys.html

6 weeks should be enough time. Confirm with private blood work before submitting to your doc's blood work.

Ive been run out of one "clinic" for coming in high for TT when using deca. LabCorp will not work. I think its the MS vs. the chemiluminescence that will get you. I could not get a decent number with LabCorp on 200/week deca, but still read under 1100 with the MS at 300/week cyp and 200/week deca.

 

[AverageMan]

Mega as usual has nailed it on your best practices. I'll add that I've added Deca to my TRT for 24 weeks now at 200mg a week. This was my first time using a 19-nor compound so even at this dosage I was concerned about my bodies reactions so I changed from using zinc/copper and DIM to control my E2, to a standard dosage of arimadex. At first I drove it into the dirt, then lowered my arimadex dose to get in a better range. Bottom line is in that time, my joints feel better, I can run farther and faster than I ever could before, I was able to up my lifts in the gym when not running a calorie deficit. And my body is looking the best it's ever been. I still have about 6 more months of dieting, training, and recomposition, ahead of me, but I can see where I'll end up and it's exactly what I have been working towards. TRT changed my life, adding Deca at a reasonable dosage changed my TRT. Concerning lab work, I noticed a big jump in free T after about 6 weeks of deca, and a slight increase in total T. That was about it. I lowered my Test cyp dose by ~10% (180mg weekly down to 160) 3 weeks out from my MD testing and I was in range, but just barely. Always get your own labs before your doctor visit. That is not a place for surprises.

Interesting.. So you are running 180mg of test and 200mg of deca per week? 180mg of test is a pretty high TRT dose unless you are a really big guy (say 6'3" 285lbs). How much AI are you running?

Did you also keep running deca when you dropped your test to 160mg 3 weeks out in anticipation of blood work?

Agree about no surprises in the dr office. I'm trying to do my homework and plan ahead to ensure I have things planned out so my bloods come in as expected.

Even at 120mg per week of deca I've noticed a general increase in energy / alertness and don't tire out like I used to. To echo your comments - I feel good on TRT and great on TRT + deca.

 

[AverageMan]

Ive been run out of one "clinic" for coming in high for TT when using deca. LabCorp will not work. I think its the MS vs. the chemiluminescence that will get you. I could not get a decent number with LabCorp on 200/week deca, but still read under 1100 with the MS at 300/week cyp and 200/week deca.

luckily the clinic I visit is tolerant of those who run cycles. I had a friend visit this clinic with over 3300 TT, which of course garnered some odd looks by the dr. None the less, the dr filled the normal TRT script and sent him on his way.

 

[Megatron28]

180mg of test is a pretty high TRT dose unless you are a really big guy (say 6'3" 285lbs).

Not true. Not sure where you got that idea. "Standard" TRT dose is 100-200mg/wk for "regular" sized guys.

 

[Albiedamned]

Interesting.. So you are running 180mg of test and 200mg of deca per week? 180mg of test is a pretty high TRT dose unless you are a really big guy (say 6'3" 285lbs). How much AI are you running?

Did you also keep running deca when you dropped your test to 160mg 3 weeks out in anticipation of blood work?

Agree about no surprises in the dr office. I'm trying to do my homework and plan ahead to ensure I have things planned out so my bloods come in as expected.

Even at 120mg per week of deca I've noticed a general increase in energy / alertness and don't tire out like I used to. To echo your comments - I feel good on TRT and great on TRT + deca.

Pretty standard with my clinic. Start everyone on 200mg test cyp, 500-700iu Hcg and no Rx AI and ween down over the first year to stay around 1200 TT. I make sure I don't cross that line by looking first. To keep my E2 low, I started using liquid Arimidex from our board sponsor at .5mg a week split into daily doses instead of the zinc copper DIM protocol is used previously. I'm in the high teens on my E2 now and feel good, so I'm staying here. I'm 5'9 190lbs now. I run the Deca continuously except the week of the test. Good luck and keep educating yourself, this is too important to just trust others on, even your doctor.

OH yeah about the TRT+ it is amazing. I thought about adding a low dose of Boldenone too to get all that Collagen synthesis possible, then I'm sure I'd want HGH TOO! Lol.

 

[AverageMan]

Pretty standard with my clinic. Start everyone on 200mg test cyp, 500-700iu Hcg and no Rx AI and ween down over the first year to stay around 1200 TT. I make sure I don't cross that line by looking first. To keep my E2 low, I started using liquid Arimidex from our board sponsor at .5mg a week split into daily doses instead of the zinc copper DIM protocol is used previously. I'm in the high teens on my E2 now and feel good, so I'm staying here. I'm 5'9 190lbs now. I run the Deca continuously except the week of the test. Good luck and keep educating yourself, this is too important to just trust others on, even your doctor.

OH yeah about the TRT+ it is amazing. I thought about adding a low dose of Boldenone too to get all that Collagen synthesis possible, then I'm sure I'd want HGH TOO! Lol.

So you run deca except the week of your blood test? I'm really surprised that doesn't affect your blood test given deca's half life of around 6 days.

I'm not sure about EQ. I'm a pretty conservative person and running something only approved for livestock makes me a bit nervous.

I would absolutely love to try HGH. I've been following he PSL Grey Top thread - good to see HGH is coming down in price but still effective. I'm still somewhat new the the whole AAS thing and dealing with reconstitution, storage, and handling is an area I need more education for trying.

 

[Megatron28]

So you run deca except the week of your blood test? I'm really surprised that doesn't affect your blood test given deca's half life of around 6 days.

I know you found that online, but the half life of the decanoate ester is generally considered to be about 14 days.

 

[Albiedamned]

So you run deca except the week of your blood test? I'm really surprised that doesn't affect your blood test given deca's half life of around 6 days.

I'm not sure about EQ. I'm a pretty conservative person and running something only approved for livestock makes me a bit nervous.

I would absolutely love to try HGH. I've been following he PSL Grey Top thread - good to see HGH is coming down in price but still effective. I'm still somewhat new the the whole AAS thing and dealing with reconstitution, storage, and handling is an area I need more education for trying.

Never claimed it doesn't affect it, in fact I lower my T dose by 20 mg a week to compensate leading up to labwork. It stays in range. If you're finding Conflicting info online, remember some of that may be based off questionably dosed gear. No one is doing pharmacy deca anymore in the US. The chance of it being partially test exists, so vet your source well, do your own labs, etc. As far as the 6 day half life, I agree with Mega. The insert literature for Deca Durobolin shows 14 day half life. Anything else is a lie. Also if you start thinking mathematically about this you'll realize that skipping a dose of deca, taking labs on 7 day post injection of Test equals 14 days since last injection of deca. Half of the last dose is still active and circulating, something like 37% of the previous weeks dose is in play, and around 25% of the dose before that. It's just about not testing with peak levels showing.

 

[halfwit]

Never claimed it doesn't affect it, in fact I lower my T dose by 20 mg a week to compensate leading up to labwork. It stays in range. If you're finding Conflicting info online, remember some of that may be based off questionably dosed gear. No one is doing pharmacy deca anymore in the US. The chance of it being partially test exists, so vet your source well, do your own labs, etc. As far as the 6 day half life, I agree with Mega. The insert literature for Deca Durobolin shows 14 day half life. Anything else is a lie. Also if you start thinking mathematically about this you'll realize that skipping a dose of deca, taking labs on 7 day post injection of Test equals 14 days since last injection of deca. Half of the last dose is still active and circulating, something like 37% of the previous weeks dose is in play, and around 25% of the dose before that. It's just about not testing with peak levels showing.

I'm thinking that you're just benefitting from blood work that doesn't utilize ECLIA methodology. Although, I've personally never had nandrolone give a false reading for TT; labcorp or otherwise. I think it depends on which laboratory they use for the assay.

I have been on 200mg/wk deca with my 250mg/wk testosterone for TRT since December of 2013, and have had zero issues with prolactin or additional aromatization. But of course, we're all different, so YMMV.

 

[Albiedamned]

So far I'm getting great mileage. Best of my life. I'll keep checking every 6 months unless I change anything up.