I think i should do a newbie cycle, please help!

[hov13]

My initial post was about a Sust/Tren cycle, and I've spent hours reading threads on this site, and all your advice to others has been great. I think my friend had me in over my head with his recommendations for a sust/tren cycle. Because I consider this to be my first educated cycle, and everyone suggests going with Test I agree that is my best choice.

I found this cycle from an older 'my first cycle' thread, and wanted feedback if I should follow, my thoughts were to go to a Monday/Thurs split and 500mg test e per week for 12 weeks...

Cycle:
week 1 250mg test e
week 2 250mg test e
week 3 250mg test e
week 4 250mg test e
week 5 250mg test e
week 6 250mg test e
week 7 250mg test e
week 8 250mg test e
week 9 250mg test e
week 10 250mg test e

Nolvadex: 20mg ED (he had this to prevent any chance of gyno, and i think i'd like to follow that precaution. but is it better to use arimidex, or aromasin?)

Clomid Therapy: will start 2 weeks after my last shotand will go like this

Day 1 Day 2 Day 3 Day 4 Day 5 Day 6 Day 7
Week 1 300 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg
Week 2 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg
Week 3 50 mg 50 mg 50mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg][/B]

As far as the post cycle therapy (pct), my research suggests clomid, and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for the first 2 weeks. are there better options, maybe aromasin because it stops estrogen production as well as raising natural test?

Thanks guys, all your advice to others has really helped me in my research. I'm excited to try this but want to be smart about it and make sure I do all the right research and get the right advice.

 

[CaptHowdy]

sup bro? post up your stats so people can point you in the right direction?

 

[StumpMT]

What's up HOV? Your cycle looks good. If you were going to use Nolvadex then only have it on hand in case gyno symptoms appear....don't actually take it during your cycle. I would suggest either a low dosage of either Arimidex or Aromasin. Save Nolvadex for PCT.

If you're curious about Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) then read an article calle "Standard PCTs" by THE-DET-OAK. It explains Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and PCT very well. I'm actually following his Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and PCT protocol for my first cycle. If you do decide to use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during cycle then I would strongly suggest an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) during cycle at a low dosage (which you can modify as needed) because Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) spikes your estrogen levels.

Also as Capt suggested please post stats....height, weight, age, routine, diet, number of years lifting.

 

[UserAt204]

Hey brotha. Glad to see you did some homework. Just need to fix a couple things.
And if you have sustanon already you can use it because it is test, just 4 different esters. A single ester like enanthate or cypionate are easiest to start just to help maintain stable blood levels but if you have it, it would be ok.

Now for the cycle.
500mg 1 thru 12. 250mg x 2 a week
For gyno control use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Preferably aromisin and if not then adex. Aromisin start at 12.5 mg every other day. If more is needed go everyday. It can be used up to 25mg ed

With adex .5mg eod or as needed up to 1mg ed
NO NOLVADEX on cycle. It's not needed and will only selectively block or compete with estro not control it.

With an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), have it on hand but don't start it unless needed. Many people do not need it.

Hcg is better used the entire cycle at 250iu x 2 a week until your last shot. Then blast with 500iu a day until 4 days before actuall pct(serm)

Pct. Toremifine is my favorite for 4 weeks at 60,60,30,30 or you can use
Clomid 50,50,50,50. No need for 300dose. 100 would be fine.
Nolvadex 40,40,20,20.

Use either torem or clomid if just using one
Or you can add nolva to either at same dose

If you run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) during pct use aromisin so no estro rebound. If you have adex just taper dose down starting in second week of post cycle therapy (pct).

That should cover it. You may need help with mixing Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) but we can help with that later.

 

[UserAt204]

If it were a heavier cycle then more clomid would be fine but I don't see it as necessary especially with using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), but it can be used that way.

 

[BigBlackguy]

Hey man, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for sure. Clomid can work for post cycle therapy (pct). If your lipids take a hit, go with toco-8. For blood pressure, hawthorne berry extract. Aromasin for gyno is great as well, it doesn't ruin lipid profiles like a lot of AIs.

As someone suggested already, 250mg is too low. Sides (in general and for MOST not ALL users) don't start really appearing till over 600mg. 500mg should work out very well and yield great gains. I agree to not run the tren as you were going to before.

 

[hov13]

Thanks for all the advice guys, here are my stats:

So I've been doing MMA for 8 years, and have been competing since 2004, both in the states and in Thailand. So my training has been very regimented this entire time, my weights have ranged from 210, to right now 195 @ < 12% body fat (I never go over 12, but don't mind being at 12 cause I put on quality size when I'm between 10-12%), also I am 5'10. My natural strength is very good for my size and prior to tearing my rotator cuff and labrum this summer was repping btwn 350-375. I'm back and healthy again, and working out with new trainers, but want to get back in shape to compete, which means putting on some more solid muscle, ideally going up 10 lbs or so. My diet is very clean, and I from reading other posts might even up my protein intake even more during this cycle.

Now for the cycle:

So should I use the Sustanon (sust) 250, alone for 12 weeks? I do not have it yet, and can get another type of test if that is a better option. I'll get the Aromatase inhibitor (AI), probably Aromisin, and start with 12.5 only if I see signs of gyno?

What is the advantage of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during the cycle?

 

[ezred]

i would try to get your hands on some test e instead of Sustanon (sust). easier for stable blood levels. alone, for 12 weeks. aromasin yeah i would wait to see if you get sore nippers... if you do then start taking it, 12.5mg ed or so, you could also do 25mg. feel that out. soreness goes away, drop it down a bit and see what's up.

hcg... that's a long one. i'll let an Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) fanboi like cobra come in here and tackle that one. hehe.

Thanks for all the advice guys, here are my stats:

So I've been doing MMA for 8 years, and have been competing since 2004, both in the states and in Thailand. So my training has been very regimented this entire time, my weights have ranged from 210, to right now 195 @ < 12% body fat (I never go over 12, but don't mind being at 12 cause I put on quality size when I'm between 10-12%), also I am 5'10. My natural strength is very good for my size and prior to tearing my rotator cuff and labrum this summer was repping btwn 350-375. I'm back and healthy again, and working out with new trainers, but want to get back in shape to compete, which means putting on some more solid muscle, ideally going up 10 lbs or so. My diet is very clean, and I from reading other posts might even up my protein intake even more during this cycle.

Now for the cycle:

So should I use the Sustanon (sust) 250, alone for 12 weeks? I do not have it yet, and can get another type of test if that is a better option. I'll get the Aromatase inhibitor (AI), probably Aromisin, and start with 12.5 only if I see signs of gyno?

What is the advantage of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during the cycle?

 

[StumpMT]

You could run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) two ways. Either after cycle or during cycle. You inquired about the advantage of running Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during a cycle.

When exogenous testosterone is administered the body will shut down the production of endogenous testosterone through negative feedback mechanisms by shutting down FSH and LH production. When this happens the testicles shrink because they are not being used to produce testosterone. What Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) does is mimic FSH and LH which tells the gonads to start producing testosterone. By running a low does (250iu E4D) of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) throughout your cycle you are stimulating the testes to produce testosterone which will prevent testicular atrophy. Doing this will also make your transition into post cycle therapy (pct) a lot easier because your body will already be producing it's own testosterone when you come off the cycle.

I don't think I left anything out but if I did please let me know (Cobra)

 

[UserAt204]

Run hcg on cycle and like EZ said get test enanthate or cypionate. Much easier to have stable blood levels.

 

[rocko3927]

Run hcg on cycle and like EZ said get test enanthate or cypionate. Much easier to have stable blood levels.

test enanthate , Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), and proper pct..... Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on stand by is always good........

 

[hov13]

will keep you guys posted, i am putting my order in this tuesday so if i run into any trouble or need alternate advice i'll let you know. otherwise, i'll check back in once i get the stuff and before i start using it...cause like user said i'll need help mixing the hcg.

 

[UserAt204]

You will need to order bacteriostatic water for the hcg.

 

[hov13]

hey guys, so i know i've been mia for a while, but i finally got my cycle and i'm planning on starting it either next week or the week after. i couldn't find hcg, and wasn't real confident in the mixing process since i've never done it. do you think it is fine if i proceed without it? also i'm going to go with aromisin for gyno if needed, and most likely toremifine for my pct. if i use aromisin during my pct as well, what is the dosage like?

 

[UserAt204]

You can go without Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) but it helps recovery and your testicles. Just continue the dose you use on cycle thru your post cycle therapy (pct), which will be most likely 12.5mg EOD.

Reconstituting Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is easier than making kool aid and very easy to find but that's your choice. Torem is a good choice for pct.

 

[hov13]

okay, if i want to go with hcg, whats a safe way to get it. i asked my guy, and he has never used it, and couldn't get it. he also gave me a site for the pct's but they didn't have hcg. thanks man.