Inexperienced user with bad advice

[wowgainz]

So I have looked into the effects of alot of aas but have never really looked into planning a cycle.
Long story short, some stuff came along for a cheap price and a friend of mine (older) who has done quite a few cycles in his life told me to jump on it because it was an amazing deal. So shortly after this, I started a cycle of tren. I read almost immediately that i should not be running without test, which i was not informed by my "experienced" buddy. So needless to say, I questioned anything he said after this. I also read tren is for experienced users, which like i stated before, this is my first.

Im currently on week 6

200mg tren e weekly (Week 1-6)
487 mg test cyp weekly (Week 3-6)

He also informed me that he never did any pct, but plan on nolva.

I started at 165, am currently 185. 6'1. 27 y.o.

Give me anything lol, at this point Im really nervous about coming off. I have 2 weeks left of tren and about 3 of test. Any advice would be appreciated. And my next cycle will no doubt be discussed in here and planned WAY better than this one.

With all this being said, I honestly have not noticed any side effects yet, besides a slight irritability during week three.

 

[Gainjin260]

Welcome.

All cycles should be well thought out and planned ahead. Never a good idea to buy gear just because it's cheap and/or available.

Well, you know you screwed up so no need to berate you. Read the stickies at the top of the forum especially take note of pct protocol. Then ask questions.

Height, age, diet, training history?

How do you measure out 487mg of test?

 

[49ER]

Cool tren will be starting to work when you come off thats brilliant!

 

[wowgainz]

sorry, 450mg.

Height: 6 foot 1 inch
Age: 27
Diet: Not good, but slowly converting cleaner. More chicken and rice. Ive already cut out fast food and pop.
Training history: 5 years

 

[juced_porkchop]

read the stickies.
run test min 12-14 weeks
drop tren
drop any advice from that guy...hes a goof im sorry

 

[rikardo82]

Cool tren will be starting to work when you come off thats brilliant!

I dont get what ester he use and how long if it's ace results are quick I got most gains in 4 weeks only

 

[omgmike1]

Worst advice i ever seen given.

That cycle first of all is way too short.
Considering u messed up big time, I would get off both substances and buy PCT: Nolva + Clomid. Run that for about 4 weeks and then wait 2 months and do blood work. If your test levels are back and good in normal range then u can look into more AAS if u want.

If u choose to do a cycle, u need to look stuff up more. Enth ester kicks in around 6 weeks. So If u ran anything Enth it should be for 12-15 weeks total.
Test should be ran all the time when using any other substance. You also need a AI or something to control ur estrogen because of the high test dosage. So look into Adex.

I say that HCG should be ran year round at 500-1000IU per week as well. So your testes are okay during cycle.

 

[Milton]

Welcome to the site!

 

[49ER]

I dont get what ester he use and how long if it's ace results are quick I got most gains in 4 weeks only

Dude im the tren master i know lol he said tren e ace works in a few days

 

[Black Beard]

Tren Enanthate takes up to 6 weeks to really start working for some people. 10-12 weeks for long esters(enanthate/decoanate) 6-8 weeks for short esters(acetate/propionate)



Some people stay on for significantly longer or never come off. The longer you stay on, the greater risk of permanent testicular shutdown/dysfunction(your balls will stop making optimal/healthy amounts of natural testosterone). As well as health problems like liver toxicity and cardiovascular problems(heart enlargement & plaque/stiffening of the arteries & elevated red blood cell count). The risk goes up exponentially with the harshness/potency of the androgen. Trenbolone and some of the orals are notorious for this.



There are case studies of deaths from steroid abuse. I saw one of a 15 year old who abused trenbolone and died. He had extreme atherosclerosis in his arteries(plaque). Some are lucky and have good genetics that protect them somewhat from the health problems associated with abuse. Others have risk factors for heart & liver disease, stroke, and heart attack.

 

[Onk]

sorry, 450mg.

Height: 6 foot 1 inch
Age: 27
Diet: Not good, but slowly converting cleaner. More chicken and rice. Ive already cut out fast food and pop.
Training history: 5 years

should stop listening to pop music right away. That shit will kill you or get you killed faster than any steroid.

 

[49ER]

Tren Enanthate takes up to 6 weeks to really start working for some people. 10-12 weeks for long esters(enanthate/decoanate) 6-8 weeks for short esters(acetate/propionate)



Some people stay on for significantly longer or never come off. The longer you stay on, the greater risk of permanent testicular shutdown/dysfunction(your balls will stop making optimal/healthy amounts of natural testosterone). As well as health problems like liver toxicity and cardiovascular problems(heart enlargement & plaque/stiffening of the arteries & elevated red blood cell count). The risk goes up exponentially with the harshness/potency of the androgen. Trenbolone and some of the orals are notorious for this.



There are case studies of deaths from steroid abuse. I saw one of a 15 year old who abused trenbolone and died. He had extreme atherosclerosis in his arteries(plaque). Some are lucky and have good genetics that protect them somewhat from the health problems associated with abuse. Others have risk factors for heart & liver disease, stroke, and heart attack.

Bullshit kid was probably fucked up on anxiety meds or narcotics if he was 15 how much can you possibly abuse tren at that age. Funny thing is everytime i check my liver its great even after tren/halo/drol if your healthy you sgouldnt have problems with a little ass cycle

 

[Milton]

should stop listening to pop music right away. That shit will kill you or get you killed faster than any steroid.

Well said, Pop music will kill you just like Pepsi will. but its the choice of a new generation.

 

[Onk]

Bullshit kid was probably fucked up on anxiety meds or narcotics if he was 15 how much can you possibly abuse tren at that age. Funny thing is everytime i check my liver its great even after tren/halo/drol if your healthy you sgouldnt have problems with a little ass cycle

as much as I don't want people to read into that comment and take their health for granted, i do agree that as long as you get regular blood test you'll most likely be fine. Though, stress on the heart is a hard one as you could have a good resting heart rate, good blood pressure and still have issues...

however, most ppl don't seem to get regular blood tests like you do

 

[Ziegler]

The good news is the less time that you are on the steroids the less time it will take for you to recover.

This cycle is a waste of time and steroids, you have no Ai or pct to speak of, get off now wait a few months then put together a game plan.

Stick around read up learn a thing or two then try again.

 

[oldmusclemike]

Welcome to the board
You came to the right place. We like to help and this is about the very best of the very best forums out.

You just heard what you needed all pertinent for you.

But we don't like to spoon feed the info you need to cycle as safe as possible. It is more prudent for you to read up so you can make informed decisions and not take bro-science bull shit advice.

So start reading and Good Luck

 

[3J]

welcome..

well at least youre running test now..

what are your goals with this cycle?? whats your diet look like?

 

[luckypaul]

So I have looked into the effects of alot of aas but have never really looked into planning a cycle.
Long story short, some stuff came along for a cheap price and a friend of mine (older) who has done quite a few cycles in his life told me to jump on it because it was an amazing deal. So shortly after this, I started a cycle of tren. I read almost immediately that i should not be running without test, which i was not informed by my "experienced" buddy. So needless to say, I questioned anything he said after this. I also read tren is for experienced users, which like i stated before, this is my first.

Im currently on week 6

200mg tren e weekly (Week 1-6)
487 mg test cyp weekly (Week 3-6)

He also informed me that he never did any pct, but plan on nolva.

I started at 165, am currently 185. 6'1. 27 y.o.

Give me anything lol, at this point Im really nervous about coming off. I have 2 weeks left of tren and about 3 of test. Any advice would be appreciated. And my next cycle will no doubt be discussed in here and planned WAY better than this one.

With all this being said, I honestly have not noticed any side effects yet, besides a slight irritability during week three.

Test and tren for a first cycle? It's a short cycle but a 20 lb gain you can't argue with. There are alot of guys in gyms who have been making mistakes since they started and still make the mistakes years latter.

It is the guys who post on boards where education is available, who are the guys to listen to.

Now you can educate your friend.

 

[appleton111]

Well said, Pop music will kill you just like Pepsi will. but its the choice of a new generation.

by the way Pepsi spelled backwards= isdead. So the next generation sure is the way things are going these days...dont forget to save your confederate dollars boys.

 

[Black Beard]

Bullshit kid was probably fucked up on anxiety meds or narcotics if he was 15 how much can you possibly abuse tren at that age. Funny thing is everytime i check my liver its great even after tren/halo/drol if your healthy you sgouldnt have problems with a little ass cycle

It's genetics, dose, toxicity, time on cycle. Some people can't even take low dose trenbolone without feeling like they are dying. Others blast grams and feel great. It is down to the individual. Remember that these are case studies, which means individual people, not a double-blind, mass trial.


There are two extreme sides in the steroid argument.


On the one hand, you have the Mr.Hootons who say steroids will destroy your body, mind and soul. Pure poison, the devils blood.

Then you have the guys who treat steroids like they are vitamins, perfectly benign. No WAY they cause ANY problems. Your just a pussy if you think otherwise.


Both are misguided and foolish. Like most ideas, the truth is somewhere in the middle. People DO die from steroid abuse, most are lucky/sensible enough to never push the envelope that far and don't carry those genes that make one susceptible to the fatal side effects.